HORUS PRESENTS: PACQUIAO "You Failed" WHY Last Night did more Harm than Good!

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What do you not understand about Mayweather and Pacquiao fighting Mosley under two totally different circumstances??

Mayweather vs. Mosley

• Mosley was the #1 WW in the world.
• Mosley was Number #4 P4P in the world.
• Mosley was coming off an impressive victory.
• Nobody boo'd in the Mayweather Mosley fight, even though Mosley was running and trying to survive.
• Floyd didnt Mosley to engaged in order to look good

Pacquiao vs. Mosley
Mosley not even ranked P4p
Mosley havent won a fight in 2 years
Mosley coming off a terrible lost to Mayweather and terrible draw against Mora
The fight was boo'd and people walked out of the fight


Should I continue?

I think if you look at any poll on here the majority of posters agreed Mosley clearly won against Mora in an ugly mess produced by Mora.

Why should ranking have any effect on anything at all? they hand those things out like candy in boxing and where you are ranked has no bearing on what you are capable of as a fighter at any point in time.

I won't even bring up the fact that Mosely had not fought in sometime before Floyd not that I think it made much of a difference but what a bizarre thread to make to try and prop Floyd up over Pac using a "bad" Pac performance where he did just as well if not slightly better than Floyd still as your platform for a vicarious Floyd victory.

[rambov]

My Biggest issue with last night was that team Pac knew that shane was shot.
I had no idea but I had not seen shane's last fight.


They knew he was shot yet they still choose to fight him and then complained that he did not come forward. I felt bad for Shane but in the end I know that he was very happy for the pay day.

[johnm is...]

Horus brings the hits.

[Lorily]

Mayweather win was more impressive.

So what you will about Mayweather performance against Shane, except for in round 2, Mayweather never seemed frustrated, confuse, and timid to attack Mosley. As a matter of fact. The impressive thing about that victory was how Mayweather completely control, and dominate Mosley to point where ****m Richardson threatened to stop the fight. Not once did ****m threaten to do that in this fight.

Pacquiao on the other hand had the luxery of watching and studying Mayweather performance against Shane, and learning from Mayweather’s mistakes. Mayweather did not have that same luxary. Freddie Roach is supposedly is such a great trainer, but it is obviously now why they are fighting Mayweathers left-overs. It is because he is stealing Mayweather’s blueprints to success of beating the opponent. And when Pacquiao fights Mayweather’s leftovers that capitalize on the mistakes they made against Mayweather, and minimize the strengths they showed against Mayweather. Which is not a bad thing. However, Not since 2008 have we seen Pacquiao look so confuse, frustrated, and gun shy as we saw last night.

question: why did people boo and walk out of last night fight?
question: what about mosley's jab kept pacquiao at distance?
question: Why was Pacquiao footwork so awful last night, he come in, in straight lines.

#1. question: why did people boo and walk out of last night fight? So, first you said people booed, then later you added "and walked out" for a little extra added drama that never really happened- but refused to believe that Naazim threatened to throw in the towel in this fight because it "wasn't on video". Okay, so where is your "people walked out of this fight" VIDEO proof? In the Mayweather/Baldomir fight, CELEBRITIES walked out, and the commentators talked about it... that's a fact. I didn't see anyone walking out of the Pac/Mosely fight on video so it must not have happened. SMDH!
#2. question: what about mosley's jab kept pacquiao at distance? As someone else stated, just holding your arm out in front of you is NOT a jab (neither is pawing with your wrist btw), and besides that NEITHER Pac nor Mosely did not LAND enough jabs to make friggen double digits (in any single round) last night, so the "Jab" wasn't doing squat in this fight, but Pac threw and landed more than Shane so I don't get your reasoning!
#3. question: Why was Pacquiao footwork so awful last night, he come in, in straight lines. You keep asking these same questions over and over again, yet you don't want to hear the real reason. Pacquiao said FROM HIS OWN MOUTH that he was having leg problems DURING THE FIGHT. But, you refuse to believe that as a legit reason. Yea, because Pacquiao really needs to lie and come up with excuses on why he WON the fight. Come on dude. And as someone else said, you have excused Mayweathers performance in the Castillo fight (which many believe Castillo won) because of a torn rotator. And also, you saying Pacquiaos movement has always been bad... you just baffle me sometimes. The guy has one less then stellar fight in how many years now, which Pac clearly gave his reason for, yet seem to forget the incredible in and out and amazing footwork in his fights with Margarito? DeLaHoya? Hatton? Cotto? Pacquiao has always shown bad movement? Your bias just exudes in every Pacquiao thread you make man.

Dean we got ****m on Camera telling Mosley he was going to stop the fight. We do not have ****m on camera saying the same thing last night.

Unbelievable man, are you serious?

i dont knw if youre serious or delusional or just that desperate. you floyd fans always have something to prove when it comes to manny. shane ran all night. manny had to chase him all night. shane was scared and with all the random tags he was takin from pacquio he just got more scared and scared each time he felt mannys power. half his "jabs" were him just holdin his arm out there. are you guys really this desperate to justify floyds supposed superiority?

Horus clearly doesn't want to hear any answers that differ from his own opinion. So much so that the only posts he can seem to come up with in reply is to mix and match his copy and paste original posts.

Horus, why do you even ask questions for people to give their opinion to if you don't even want to hear the answer in the first place????? What's the point?

[Drunk Punch]

Thing is, no-one wanted this fight anyway. Except Arum and his organization.

Styles make fights, you would think they would have learned from the Clottey experience.

Helluva nice retirement pay check for Sugar Shane though.

[Drunk Punch]

And for the record Mayweather's dominance of Mosley was far more impressive. But then you could argue, Mosley was tailor made for Floyd to look good, in the same way he was tailor made to make Manny look bad. That's assuming its possible to make Manny look bad.

[Lorily]

Was this Manny's best performance? No

BUT

You are putting your own spin to the point that one can OBJECTIVELY call it an exaggeration of the truth!

1) Manny won every minute of every round. So to state what you stated is questionable.


2) Manny knocked Mosley down. Mosley called that one of the hardest punches he has been hit in a very long time. I think that would be called a compliment to someone that has a well known iron chin!


3) Mosley was running after being hit. He was running so much that it did make it difficult for Manny or anyone to get to KO Mosley. By the way, it was Mosley's running and providing no offensive attack that got the crowd booing. Even the commentators were saying Mosley needs to take risks.


4) Mosley and Manny were way too chummy chummy. They hugged and gave each other high fives way too much. I think that plus Manny winning every round took something off of Manny's game. Just look how he stepped it up after the bad call by the ref. With a Floyd in front of Manny it would be game on from the opening bell.


5) yes, Manny was careful to be sure that he doesn't get countered. I'm quite sure that the plan was to be very careful with Mosley as he still can punch (see Floyd vs Mosley 2nd round). Manny said so after the fight that Mosley was waiting to counter. Manny was smart to see this and did more than enough to win EVERY SINGLE ROUND!!!


6) For the Floyd fight, Mosley was there to be hit much more often BUT there were several rounds that even Floyd was not doing much hitting. Still the key was that Mosley came forward much more with Floyd while with Manny, Mosley ran! Quite different circumstance therefore you can't compare it the way YOU did!


7)
Defense:
- Floyd got hurt badly in that 2nd round against Mosley. In the other rounds, Mosley still tried (came forward) but looked too gassed to do anything.
- Defensively Manny shut down Mosley cold!!! It was a complete shutout. So he did way better than the master defensive technician Floyd!

Offensively:
- Floyd never knocked Mosley down ... Mosley was for the most part always in front of Floyd. Meaning that Mosley NEVER RAN during the fight. Floyd still just did enough to win the rounds.
- Manny knocked Mosley down and more importantly, it halted any kind of offense from Mosley. Manny hurt Mosley enough that it got Mosley running all night long. When has anyone every seen Mosley do that? Talk about getting respect!!!


8) If you hate when someone fights cautiously, the way Manny did last night then there is a problem. Why? Like I said, Manny dominated every minute of every round, and when Mosley ran, Manny appeared content with just winning the rounds. Now, Floyd usually fights that way and just does enough to win the rounds. For example, look at his last 2 fights. Marquez went up 2 divisions and all Floyd did was something similar to last night. Floyd did also something similar against Mosley. Did you see a KO in those 2 fights? Well, like I said before the best chance at a KO was Mosley doing it on Floyd!!!

Floyd ALWAYS FIGHTS CAUTIOUSLY ..... defense and just enough offense .... Do you hate him too?

See, you love how Floyd does just enough so he wins and then YOU and other Floyd fans call that smart. Example, Floyd pot shot Oscar to a close victory. Floyd winning against Marquez but not closing the show (no KO) .... but to you all that was OK.


9) Manny said he was injured. He felt it during the fight. Now, he still won every round but you don't seem to buy that nor was it enough for you (winning every round). BUT I'm sure you buy when Floyd says he was injured during the Castillo fight right? Or that he needs to use Xylocaine on his average performances. right?



10) You said that Mosley hasn't won a fight in 2 years .... BUT when people told you that Floyd fought a Mosley that was ~39, hadn't fought in 16 MONTHS and took his old body thru 2 training camps in a row (meaning over-trained) YET Mosley gave Floyd the biggest problem of his career in the 2nd round, Floyd couldn't KO nor even knock Mosley down in that sorry condition that Mosley was in YET you have a problem with Manny?

Funny how you and others (eg. Ceiling) points out the 2+ years with no win by Mosley but are very forgetful of the fact that Mosley was 16 months inactive!!! Even your hero Floyd needs a tune-up imagine OLD MOSLEY?


11) You expected Manny to KO Mosley? Most people thought it would be either a UD by Manny or a KO by Mosley ....



Like I said at the beginning. It wasn't the best Manny but even the one we saw last night was able to win every minute of every round. So your point is way way off !

Most excellent post!! But, as expected, Horus's counter reply was to tell you that everything about your post was wrong, and then refutted it by copying and pasting the same things he put in his OP. Why bother? The guy clearly isn't having any other opinion then his own.

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There is so much wrong with this post that I do not know where to start. So I will just go with the facts.

Defensively Manny shut down Mosley cold!!! It was a complete shutout. So he did way better than the master defensive technician Floyd!


Manny Landed 31% of his total punches on Mosley.
Mayweather Landed 44% of his total punches on Mosley.

Mosley Landed 20% of his total punches on Pacquiao
Mosley Landed 20% of his total punches on Mayweather

Manny Threw 727 punches against Mosley
Mayweather Threw 477 punches against Mosley

So what you will about Mayweather performance against Shane, except for in round 2, Mayweather never seemed frustrated, confuse, and timid to attack Mosley. As a matter of fact. The impressive thing about that victory was how Mayweather completely control, and dominate Mosley to point where ****m Richardson threatened to stop the fight. Not once did ****m threaten to do that in this fight.

Pacquiao on the other hand had the luxery of watching and studying Mayweather performance against Shane, and learning from Mayweather’s mistakes. Mayweather did not have that same luxary. Freddie Roach is supposedly is such a great trainer, but it is obviously now why they are fighting Mayweathers left-overs. It is because he is stealing Mayweather’s blueprints to success of beating the opponent. And when Pacquiao fights Mayweather’s leftovers that capitalize on the mistakes they made against Mayweather, and minimize the strengths they showed against Mayweather. Which is not a bad thing. However, Not since 2008 have we seen Pacquiao look so confuse, frustrated, and gun shy as we saw last night.


It was apparent from round 2 that Mosley was only there for a pay check, and Pacquiao still could not get him out of there. All he had to do was pick up the pace and take the risk necessary to Knock him out BUT HE COULD NOT DO IT. He excuse was Mosley ran from him. Well Cotto ran from you too Pacquiao and you knock him out.
btw, coming to last night fight. Mosley had not WON A FIGHT IN 2 YEARS! And was 39 Years Old!



Floyd Mayweather W 12 Shane Mosley
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox

Manny Pacquiao W 12 vs Shane Mosley
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox

Like the other poster "flem1" said, read my post carefully.

Most of those points you made, I already responded to.

Example: You are looking at punch stats but did you care to include that with Floyd, Mosley was there to be hit (coming forward) while with Manny he ran like nobody has ever seen Mosley run in his entire career?


You say except for round 2. What? How can you say except for round 2? Floyd got a huge beating in that round so you can't say except for round 2. Still, you can't give Mosley any huge rounds or any rounds for that matter against Manny. It was a total shutout!

You mention it was apparent from the 2nd round that Mosley was there only for a paycheck. Really? The truth was that it was apparent to Mosley and everyone else that Manny possesses a powerful punch and Mosley witnessed it first hand. Therefore, just like Clottey, Oscar, Cotto and now Mosley they all went into hiding. You should be saying WOW!

Have you ever seen Mosley run for the hills in a fight? How about Oscar? How about Clottey's total turtle defense? There is a reason for the pattern and its all due to Manny's offense (power)


You again mention Manny "COULD NOT KO" Mosley. Did you read my post? I said, a majority expected either a UD by Manny or a KO by Mosley. You really expected Manny to KO Mosley?


Wow, again, did you really read my post? I'm being serious here. You mention again that Mosley hadn't won in 2 years BUT I mentioned that and said did you realize that Mosley was inactive for 16 months before fighting Floyd? Did you realize that OLD Mosley had to endure 2 training camps in a row before fighting Floyd?

[Pony Boy]

In a nut shell, Styles make fights. And like I said before, naz changed Mosley for worst. Should Sugar have trained with his pops, he would have had a better performance. It has been very clear that since Sugar left his dad, hi lost his jab and beautiful combos

[ADP02]

Mosley was the #1 WW in the world. Mosley was Number #4 P4P in the world.
And Mosley was coming off an impressive victory. Funny how you leave that out. Mayweather fought Mosley when Mosley was considered the best WW in the world!!

Pacquiao did not

Mosley landed 13 power shots in round two- then just 29 the rest of the fight!!

Nobody boo'd in the Mayweather Mosley fight, even though was was running and trying to survive. Floyd didnt Mosley to engaged in order to look good against like one poster said in this thread. It was an complete wipe that removed of doubt of who the Man was in the division.


Pacquiao on the other hand.
Mosley hadnt won a fight in 2 years before last night.

Mosley was p4p ranked before last night.

Mosley was soundly beaten and damage coming into the fight by Mayweather last night.

Pacquiao luxery of watching and studying Mayweather performance against Shane, and learning from Mayweather’s mistakes. Mayweather did not have that same luxary

Why was Mosley #1 WW and P4P #3?

Was this because of what he did in 2010, the year that Mosley fought Floyd? NO!!! It was because Mosley beat a brickless Margarito in January 2009. That's right something he did to someone who just got caught cheating before the fight 16 MONTHS BEFORE the fight with Floyd.

You talk about luxuries? Floyd knew that he was going to be fighting an out of prime ~39 year old Mosley that was inactive for 16 months and possibly over-trained.

You know what Floyd said BEFORE the fight with Mosley when asked about a game plan? Floyd said, my game plan will factor in that Mosley is OLD!!! Now add the other points above and one can see why the outcome went the way it went.