HORUS PRESENTS: PACQUIAO "You Failed" WHY Last Night did more Harm than Good!

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Both guys fights against Shane were boring - neither one any less boring than the other.

I don't see how that is turned into an indictment against Pacquiao though....are we saying that since a Mayweather fight isn't expected to have fireworks it was ok for him to let Shane off the hook and not go for the kill, and then we're going to criticize Pacquiao for doing the same thing?? Maybe Shane is such a "nice guy" that neither of them had the heart to really go all out on him...you believe this with Pacquiao but you don't with Floyd because we buy into all of the trash talk b.s.

[Horus]

Was this Manny's best performance? No

BUT

You are putting your own spin to the point that one can OBJECTIVELY call it an exaggeration of the truth!

1) Manny won every minute of every round. So to state what you stated is questionable.


2) Manny knocked Mosley down. Mosley called that one of the hardest punches he has been hit in a very long time. I think that would be called a compliment to someone that has a well known iron chin!


3) Mosley was running after being hit. He was running so much that it did make it difficult for Manny or anyone to get to KO Mosley. By the way, it was Mosley's running and providing no offensive attack that got the crowd booing. Even the commentators were saying Mosley needs to take risks.


4) Mosley and Manny were way too chummy chummy. They hugged and gave each other high fives way too much. I think that plus Manny winning every round took something off of Manny's game. Just look how he stepped it up after the bad call by the ref. With a Floyd in front of Manny it would be game on from the opening bell.


5) yes, Manny was careful to be sure that he doesn't get countered. I'm quite sure that the plan was to be very careful with Mosley as he still can punch (see Floyd vs Mosley 2nd round). Manny said so after the fight that Mosley was waiting to counter. Manny was smart to see this and did more than enough to win EVERY SINGLE ROUND!!!


6) For the Floyd fight, Mosley was there to be hit much more often BUT there were several rounds that even Floyd was not doing much hitting. Still the key was that Mosley came forward much more with Floyd while with Manny, Mosley ran! Quite different circumstance therefore you can't compare it the way YOU did!


7)
Defense:
- Floyd got hurt badly in that 2nd round against Mosley. In the other rounds, Mosley still tried (came forward) but looked too gassed to do anything.
- Defensively Manny shut down Mosley cold!!! It was a complete shutout. So he did way better than the master defensive technician Floyd!

Offensively:
- Floyd never knocked Mosley down ... Mosley was for the most part always in front of Floyd. Meaning that Mosley NEVER RAN during the fight. Floyd still just did enough to win the rounds.
- Manny knocked Mosley down and more importantly, it halted any kind of offense from Mosley. Manny hurt Mosley enough that it got Mosley running all night long. When has anyone every seen Mosley do that? Talk about getting respect!!!


8) If you hate when someone fights cautiously, the way Manny did last night then there is a problem. Why? Like I said, Manny dominated every minute of every round, and when Mosley ran, Manny appeared content with just winning the rounds. Now, Floyd usually fights that way and just does enough to win the rounds. For example, look at his last 2 fights. Marquez went up 2 divisions and all Floyd did was something similar to last night. Floyd did also something similar against Mosley. Did you see a KO in those 2 fights? Well, like I said before the best chance at a KO was Mosley doing it on Floyd!!!

Floyd ALWAYS FIGHTS CAUTIOUSLY ..... defense and just enough offense .... Do you hate him too?

See, you love how Floyd does just enough so he wins and then YOU and other Floyd fans call that smart. Example, Floyd pot shot Oscar to a close victory. Floyd winning against Marquez but not closing the show (no KO) .... but to you all that was OK.


9) Manny said he was injured. He felt it during the fight. Now, he still won every round but you don't seem to buy that nor was it enough for you (winning every round). BUT I'm sure you buy when Floyd says he was injured during the Castillo fight right? Or that he needs to use Xylocaine on his average performances. right?



10) You said that Mosley hasn't won a fight in 2 years .... BUT when people told you that Floyd fought a Mosley that was ~39, hadn't fought in 16 MONTHS and took his old body thru 2 training camps in a row (meaning over-trained) YET Mosley gave Floyd the biggest problem of his career in the 2nd round, Floyd couldn't KO nor even knock Mosley down in that sorry condition that Mosley was in YET you have a problem with Manny?

Funny how you and others (eg. Ceiling) points out the 2+ years with no win by Mosley but are very forgetful of the fact that Mosley was 16 months inactive!!! Even your hero Floyd needs a tune-up imagine OLD MOSLEY?


11) You expected Manny to KO Mosley? Most people thought it would be either a UD by Manny or a KO by Mosley ....



Like I said at the beginning. It wasn't the best Manny but even the one we saw last night was able to win every minute of every round. So your point is way way off !

There is so much wrong with this post that I do not know where to start. So I will just go with the facts.

Defensively Manny shut down Mosley cold!!! It was a complete shutout. So he did way better than the master defensive technician Floyd!


Manny Landed 31% of his total punches on Mosley.
Mayweather Landed 44% of his total punches on Mosley.

Mosley Landed 20% of his total punches on Pacquiao
Mosley Landed 20% of his total punches on Mayweather

Manny Threw 727 punches against Mosley
Mayweather Threw 477 punches against Mosley

So what you will about Mayweather performance against Shane, except for in round 2, Mayweather never seemed frustrated, confuse, and timid to attack Mosley. As a matter of fact. The impressive thing about that victory was how Mayweather completely control, and dominate Mosley to point where ****m Richardson threatened to stop the fight. Not once did ****m threaten to do that in this fight.

Pacquiao on the other hand had the luxery of watching and studying Mayweather performance against Shane, and learning from Mayweather’s mistakes. Mayweather did not have that same luxary. Freddie Roach is supposedly is such a great trainer, but it is obviously now why they are fighting Mayweathers left-overs. It is because he is stealing Mayweather’s blueprints to success of beating the opponent. And when Pacquiao fights Mayweather’s leftovers that capitalize on the mistakes they made against Mayweather, and minimize the strengths they showed against Mayweather. Which is not a bad thing. However, Not since 2008 have we seen Pacquiao look so confuse, frustrated, and gun shy as we saw last night.


It was apparent from round 2 that Mosley was only there for a pay check, and Pacquiao still could not get him out of there. All he had to do was pick up the pace and take the risk necessary to Knock him out BUT HE COULD NOT DO IT. He excuse was Mosley ran from him. Well Cotto ran from you too Pacquiao and you knock him out.
btw, coming to last night fight. Mosley had not WON A FIGHT IN 2 YEARS! And was 39 Years Old!



Floyd Mayweather W 12 Shane Mosley
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox

Manny Pacquiao W 12 vs Shane Mosley
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...osley-compubox

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Horus no matter what methods each fighter used, both Manny and Floyd produced a very similar result against Shane so Manny maybe not looking as spectacular as expected last night is nothing to gloat about and certainly is no credit to Floyd.

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Was this Manny's best performance? No

BUT

You are putting your own spin to the point that one can OBJECTIVELY call it an exaggeration of the truth!

1) Manny won every minute of every round. So to state what you stated is questionable.


2) Manny knocked Mosley down. Mosley called that one of the hardest punches he has been hit in a very long time. I think that would be called a compliment to someone that has a well known iron chin!


3) Mosley was running after being hit. He was running so much that it did make it difficult for Manny or anyone to get to KO Mosley. By the way, it was Mosley's running and providing no offensive attack that got the crowd booing. Even the commentators were saying Mosley needs to take risks.


4) Mosley and Manny were way too chummy chummy. They hugged and gave each other high fives way too much. I think that plus Manny winning every round took something off of Manny's game. Just look how he stepped it up after the bad call by the ref. With a Floyd in front of Manny it would be game on from the opening bell.


5) yes, Manny was careful to be sure that he doesn't get countered. I'm quite sure that the plan was to be very careful with Mosley as he still can punch (see Floyd vs Mosley 2nd round). Manny said so after the fight that Mosley was waiting to counter. Manny was smart to see this and did more than enough to win EVERY SINGLE ROUND!!!


6) For the Floyd fight, Mosley was there to be hit much more often BUT there were several rounds that even Floyd was not doing much hitting. Still the key was that Mosley came forward much more with Floyd while with Manny, Mosley ran! Quite different circumstance therefore you can't compare it the way YOU did!


7)
Defense:
- Floyd got hurt badly in that 2nd round against Mosley. In the other rounds, Mosley still tried (came forward) but looked too gassed to do anything.
- Defensively Manny shut down Mosley cold!!! It was a complete shutout. So he did way better than the master defensive technician Floyd!

Offensively:
- Floyd never knocked Mosley down ... Mosley was for the most part always in front of Floyd. Meaning that Mosley NEVER RAN during the fight. Floyd still just did enough to win the rounds.
- Manny knocked Mosley down and more importantly, it halted any kind of offense from Mosley. Manny hurt Mosley enough that it got Mosley running all night long. When has anyone every seen Mosley do that? Talk about getting respect!!!


8) If you hate when someone fights cautiously, the way Manny did last night then there is a problem. Why? Like I said, Manny dominated every minute of every round, and when Mosley ran, Manny appeared content with just winning the rounds. Now, Floyd usually fights that way and just does enough to win the rounds. For example, look at his last 2 fights. Marquez went up 2 divisions and all Floyd did was something similar to last night. Floyd did also something similar against Mosley. Did you see a KO in those 2 fights? Well, like I said before the best chance at a KO was Mosley doing it on Floyd!!!

Floyd ALWAYS FIGHTS CAUTIOUSLY ..... defense and just enough offense .... Do you hate him too?

See, you love how Floyd does just enough so he wins and then YOU and other Floyd fans call that smart. Example, Floyd pot shot Oscar to a close victory. Floyd winning against Marquez but not closing the show (no KO) .... but to you all that was OK.


9) Manny said he was injured. He felt it during the fight. Now, he still won every round but you don't seem to buy that nor was it enough for you (winning every round). BUT I'm sure you buy when Floyd says he was injured during the Castillo fight right? Or that he needs to use Xylocaine on his average performances. right?



10) You said that Mosley hasn't won a fight in 2 years .... BUT when people told you that Floyd fought a Mosley that was ~39, hadn't fought in 16 MONTHS and took his old body thru 2 training camps in a row (meaning over-trained) YET Mosley gave Floyd the biggest problem of his career in the 2nd round, Floyd couldn't KO nor even knock Mosley down in that sorry condition that Mosley was in YET you have a problem with Manny?

Funny how you and others (eg. Ceiling) points out the 2+ years with no win by Mosley but are very forgetful of the fact that Mosley was 16 months inactive!!! Even your hero Floyd needs a tune-up imagine OLD MOSLEY?


11) You expected Manny to KO Mosley? Most people thought it would be either a UD by Manny or a KO by Mosley ....



Like I said at the beginning. It wasn't the best Manny but even the one we saw last night was able to win every minute of every round. So your point is way way off !

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I hope Horus reads all of this carefully..

But then again he will keep pushing "Mosley's Pace" to everyone's faces..

[Horus]

10)[/B] You said that Mosley hasn't won a fight in 2 years .... BUT when people told you that Floyd fought a Mosley that was ~39, hadn't fought in 16 MONTHS and took his old body thru 2 training camps in a row (meaning over-trained) YET Mosley gave Floyd the biggest problem of his career in the 2nd round, Floyd couldn't KO nor even knock Mosley down in that sorry condition that Mosley was in YET you have a problem with Manny?

Mosley was the #1 WW in the world. Mosley was Number #4 P4P in the world.
And Mosley was coming off an impressive victory. Funny how you leave that out. Mayweather fought Mosley when Mosley was considered the best WW in the world!!

Pacquiao did not

Mosley landed 13 power shots in round two- then just 29 the rest of the fight!!

Nobody boo'd in the Mayweather Mosley fight, even though was was running and trying to survive. Floyd didnt Mosley to engaged in order to look good against like one poster said in this thread. It was an complete wipe that removed of doubt of who the Man was in the division.


Pacquiao on the other hand.
Mosley hadnt won a fight in 2 years before last night.

Mosley was p4p ranked before last night.

Mosley was soundly beaten and damage coming into the fight by Mayweather last night.

Pacquiao luxery of watching and studying Mayweather performance against Shane, and learning from Mayweather’s mistakes. Mayweather did not have that same luxary

[Horus]

Horus no matter what methods each fighter used, both Manny and Floyd produced a very similar result against Shane so Manny maybe not looking as spectacular as expected last night is nothing to gloat about and certainly is no credit to Floyd.

They both did it under two totally different circumstances.
Please pretend to have some kind of common sense.

These wins are not equal.

Onw win was impressive.
One win was not impressive and left people very pissed off

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They both did it under two totally different circumstances.
Please pretend to have some kind of common sense.

These wins are not equal.

Onw win was impressive.
One win was not impressive and left people very pissed off

Really? He entered the ring both times trying to win and when things didn't go well early he pretty much shut down and survived until the end while losing just about every round in a boring fight.

I don't see what was so impressive about Floyd's win, he did just enough to convincingly win rounds without taking more risk than necessary rounds 3-12, rinse & repeat.

[Horus]

Why would you even compare these fights? Mayweather fans go to any lengths and try to find reasons to say he is greater than Pacquiao, when the fact is, we won't know until they fight. The truth of the matter is, if they never fight, Pacquiao will go down as the greater fighter, and *****s can't handle that. Pacquiao is the man in boxing now, not Floyd. I'm sorry. To reply to the thread, Pacquiao damn near had Shane out and on ***** street with that 3rd round KD. Mosley didn't even engage with Pacquiao and spent the whole fight running afraid of Pacquiao's power and aggression. He fought Mayweather nothing like that. Did Mayweather make Mosley literally afraid of him? No, he didn't. How could Pacquiao fight a guy who is constantly back peddling?

I am comparing these fights because Freddie Roach, Koch, Ariza, and Pacquiao made the measurement of success for this fight was to do better than Mayweather did against Mosley. And they did not.

THATS WHY!

And if we compare both fights side by side.
One win was impressive
One win was not and left people very pissed off

Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley former Partner even was quoted as saying.
"Mosley quit, and just wanted to survive and not get knock out against Mayweather."

Mosley STOP engaging with Mayweather after round 3.
But guess What?

Mayweather didnt need Mosley to engage to make his performance look good.
He brought the fight to Mosley, and beat his ass up. Running and all

[Horus]

Really? He entered the ring both times trying to win and when things didn't go well early he pretty much shut down and survived until the end while losing just about every round in a boring fight.

I don't see what was so impressive about Floyd's win, he did just enough to convincingly win rounds without taking more risk than necessary rounds 3-12, rinse & repeat.

What do you not understand about Mayweather and Pacquiao fighting Mosley under two totally different circumstances??

Mayweather vs. Mosley

• Mosley was the #1 WW in the world.
• Mosley was Number #4 P4P in the world.
• Mosley was coming off an impressive victory.
• Nobody boo'd in the Mayweather Mosley fight, even though Mosley was running and trying to survive.
• Floyd didnt Mosley to engaged in order to look good

Pacquiao vs. Mosley
Mosley not even ranked P4p
Mosley havent won a fight in 2 years
Mosley coming off a terrible lost to Mayweather and terrible draw against Mora
The fight was boo'd and people walked out of the fight


Should I continue?

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another floyd **** sucking thread

i thought this will be an informative non-biased article but i stopped reading after this line:
It is because he is stealing Mayweather’s blueprints to success of beating the opponent.

you just wasted 15 secs of my life that i will never get back. tell your vacationing boyfriend to grow some balls first and fight pac before writing f@ggoty analysis here again.