The fight and the future, Pac, Mosley and Floyd

[Mayabang]

Excellent analysis. I am not sure I agree 100% on the 2 main points.
Just when Pac became the "new, improved" version.
And about Mos winning 5 years ago. But you made your case quite well, and you might be right.

Another posibility is that Mos would not have fought so defensively 5 years ago, and thus might have been more likely to get surprised and KOed by Pac.

What do you think of this possibility? You yourself noted where he kept his right nearly the whole fight. I still think Pac's ability to take a punch and hit back harder might have got the W over Mos even 5 years ago. He also with Roach (since about 2001 or so) is very smart and adaptable. Would have been a great and difficult fight, but he still could have won. A bit like Forrest's win over Mos.

true, he could've still won. Thing is, both Mosley and Pac 5 years ago would be going toe-to-toe, and so it's a toss-up from that point on. Both have power and speed. When Pac fought Marquez, he couldn't match Marquez's boxing skills but Pac overpowered him. Mosley on the other hand doesn't have Marquez's technical skills, but he has the power to match Pac and chin (we know that now after this fight). So, now it becomes a toss-up IMO.

I just see so much improvement in Pac's skills these last few years that if he had the same skillset now 5 years ago, then he'd defenitely beat Mosley. I'll give you an example: When Pac couldn't land that big left of his due to Mosley's right hand guarding the right side of his face the entire time, Pac noticed this and made a great adjustment, and that's to use a left uppercut right after a right jab(i think it was a jab), so you see him catching Mosley a couple of times with the left uppercut because Mosley's right hand was stuck guarding his right face - it left an opening for an uppercut. I just don't see Pac being able to adjust like this 5 years ago, but that's just opinion.

[physiker]

true, he could've still won. Thing is, both Mosley and Pac 5 years ago would be going toe-to-toe, and so it's a toss-up from that point on. Both have power and speed. When Pac fought Marquez, he couldn't match Marquez's boxing skills but Pac overpowered him. Mosley on the other hand doesn't have Marquez's technical skills, but he has the power to match Pac and chin (we know that now after this fight). So, now it becomes a toss-up IMO.

I just see so much improvement in Pac's skills these last few years that if he had the same skillset now 5 years ago, then he'd defenitely beat Mosley. I'll give you an example: When Pac couldn't land that big left of his due to Mosley's right hand guarding the right side of his face the entire time, Pac noticed this and made a great adjustment, and that's to use a left uppercut right after a right jab(i think it was a jab), so you see him catching Mosley a couple of times with the left uppercut because Mosley's right hand was stuck guarding his right face - it left an opening for an uppercut. I just don't see Pac being able to adjust like this 5 years ago, but that's just opinion.

Ok. Thanks.
Again fine observation and analysis.

Maybe we should say 5 yeas ago or so, it'd be a toss-up between Pac and Mosley. I lean towards the deciding factor that they would both land bombs, and Pac has the better chin--at the higher weight he has now.

The weight gain may have much to do with this too. He may have been starving himself until the last couple of years. That affects everything, reflexes, power, everything. See how much better Khan and Ortiz became after they gained weight! At least no one is accusing them of the drug lunacy--and excuse.

[SCtrojansbaby]

No you are wrong here. I believe money is the deciding issue as well as the control of the promoters. Pac would fight anyone within reasonable range of his weight.

The ones you cited, except for Ortiz, don't now bring the money with them. (ortiz may happen--if Pac doesn;t retire soon.) Yes, they are young and might give us a better show--while it lasted--than Mos did. I agree with you on that. And I agree that the Mos/Pac fight either should not have been made, or as I wrote, people should not have expected a fairytale, and that it would be a stinker.

Not Pac's fault that Mos ran. He could have tried as I wrote, but he knew he'd be gone quick. I think that applies to everyone out there now. What any of the guys you cited would do if they got the chance we don't know. Probably some would stand toe to toe and give us an exciting quick finish. But they, except for Ortiz, don't bring the $ to the table, unfortuantely.

Boxing alas does not exist for the fans, but for the promoters to make money. Kinda like the real world unfortunately.

Can you stop with this $ to the table crap, that went out the window when he fought Clottey and the fight was just as successful.

Mosley didn't bring any $ to the table. The people that were interested in this fight were Pacquiao fans plain and simple anybody who knows who Mosley is knew that he was shot and it was a shytty fight and didn't buy it.

[physiker]

Can you stop with this $ to the table crap, that went out the window when he fought Clottey and the fight was just as successful.

Mosley didn't bring any $ to the table. The people that were interested in this fight were Pacquiao fans plain and simple anybody who knows who Mosley is knew that he was shot and it was a shytty fight and didn't buy it.

Well you're the one now with lots of crap.
Read what I wrote, it's not what the fans want, it's not what Pac wants. It's what the money and power guys want. Are you naive or worse?

Some of the guys you cited: Mike Jones, Alfredo Angulo, Robert Guerrero are unknown to most, and do not bring a fan base, and won't get made by the cable people or promoters. Are you saying Clottey and Mosley are not vastly more well known than those 3? and that has nothing to do with it? You're talking crap if you believe the #1 fighter makes fights with relative unknowns when other opponents will bring in more money.

And you seem to be ignoring the fact that many people did pay for this stinker because it was Mosley! Did you forget that? Yeah, some are crying now, but they should have known better. And the fact that they did pay for it proves my point! So you stop talking ****. I am just stating the hard, rotten realities here. Not a fantasy world of the way it should be, don't blame the mesenger.

And just because you know who the new young guys are, don't assume many others do!!! Got it?

Victor Ortiz, we've already discussed will not be allowed because he is with GBP. Maybe the best possibility, but prevented by Arum. So what is the use of talking about it??

Tim Bradley I believe Arum just said is an option. And I wrote that is fine, but he hasn't got a chance. Doesn't have the greatest power at the lower weight, so.... But you will have your wish, we can all hope.

Of course, he would try to make it a better fight than old Mos did. You should be sending messages to Mos for not doing what you wanted him to and what the said he'd do. Me, I don't blame him for survival mode kicking in. If Bradley really tries, Manny will do what was it Kendall Holt did, only it'll be a KO vs Pac. But exciting while it lasts, yes.

Just start a boycott next time they put in some one who is too old to have a chance--I've stated that. Or did you pay for it?