The fight and the future, Pac, Mosley and Floyd

[physiker]

Great point on this! I thought the same thing, that Pac was disgusted by Shane coz he wanted to go toe to toe but Shane didn't. You can tell that Pac was extremely upset and he's never been in a fight where people boo'd. Pac was expecting and excited and trained hard for a toe to toe battle, and he didn't get it, he felt he let his fans down. The tone on Pac's interview alone shows you that he was disguste by Mosley's running. Also if you noticed, Pac was talking alot in the ring, and we never seen him talk so much before - my guess is he's telling shane 'cmon let's fight, wtf man?' LOL

Thanks.
I couldn't see all of that because I had some poor streaming. So it's good to know that you verified what I thought.

Pac was disgusted with Mosley for not living up to his promise. It is Mos who let everyone down, not Pac. Mos should apoloize to the fans, not for losing which anybody (maybe everybody vs Pac) could do. But for basically not being honest about going to to toe with Pac, at least for a few rounds as I saw PAc said he expected. Basically we only got about a combined 40 seconds from Mos for the whole fight.

Good catch and interpretation! Nice to see some here with good brains, instead of the simple, fix cries or whatever.

Maya****:
How do you think it would have gone 5 years ago, against a younger Mos?I think that would have been a great one, maybe with mutual KDs, but Pac would emerge the winner.

[HighFlyer]

Yes, I think Marquez and Ortiz fit the bill, and both will get KOed quick because of it.

agreed...
bradley and khan will fit the bill too hehe...
a fight w/ floyd wont happen until floyd grew some balls..nvermind its a boring fight anyway lol

[physiker]

ortiz is with gbp though

Ok thanks. So that means no chance of a fight?

I would have been a good couple of rounds.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Not unreasonable. Just that they won't or can't win, and will not give the fans what they want--a war with Pac. And those who try like Ortiz might/would likely go out soon. Those who are coming up from a lower weight just don't have a chance. Others have never fought anyone in Pac's league, and probably couldn't live with him for long.

Yes, they may be the best and young ones out there, but the above applies. I've seen nothing that shows they could live with Pac in the ring. Of course, as they get more experience and Pac ages, that would change, but he is now a politician with other goals as well, so he is not likely to stay longer than he should.

Thanks.

Ok so the alternative is to fight guys who are shot? The names i mentioned are 100000x more capable then Mosley, Margarito or Cotto were when Pacquiao fought them. The only reason he doesn't want to fight them is because Pacquiao wants the easiest possible opponent.

[physiker]

agreed...
bradley and khan will fit the bill too hehe...
a fight w/ floyd wont happen until floyd grew some balls..nvermind its a boring fight anyway lol

Well I don't think Khanfight will happen because they are buds or such. (And if not, I am not sure Khan really would anyway.)

Bradley migh thappen. If he tried his usual swarming stuff against Pac, my 3 factors would apply. Yes, he'd land on Pac, at the same time, Pac's punches would land on him. Pac would be standing , but he wouldn't be. Just not powerful enough to live with Pac.

[MrRolltide91]

Ok thanks. So that means no chance of a fight?

I would have been a good couple of rounds.

bob arum said manny won't face a golden boy fighter

[Mayabang]

Maya****:How do you think it would have gone 5 years ago, against a younger Mos?[/B]I think that would have been a great one, maybe with mutual KDs, but Pac would emerge the winner.

5 years ago, I think Shane takes it. Mainly coz Shane would be more experienced, just as fast, bigger, and a better boxer than Manny. Manny improved his technical skills just couple of years ago, so I think he wouldn't have been ready for Shane 5 years ago. One thing I give Shane credit for on this Pac fight is he knows how to use his length and distance extremely well, and I'm not even talking about when Shane was running. The first few rounds, Shane used his length, enough to make pass miss-and he missed ALOT of right hooks, and he blocked pretty much all of Pac's left hook. Bbut the only problem was Shane didn't capitalize on this, maybe because he's not as fast as he would have been 5 years ago, which is why he never threw that right hand and just kept it up on his face to keep pac from hitting him with a left hook.

[physiker]

Ok so the alternative is to fight guys who are shot? The names i mentioned are 100000x more capable then Mosley, Margarito or Cotto were when Pacquiao fought them. The only reason he doesn't want to fight them is because Pacquiao wants the easiest possible opponent.

No you are wrong here. I believe money is the deciding issue as well as the control of the promoters. Pac would fight anyone within reasonable range of his weight.

The ones you cited, except for Ortiz, don't now bring the money with them. (ortiz may happen--if Pac doesn;t retire soon.) Yes, they are young and might give us a better show--while it lasted--than Mos did. I agree with you on that. And I agree that the Mos/Pac fight either should not have been made, or as I wrote, people should not have expected a fairytale, and that it would be a stinker.

Not Pac's fault that Mos ran. He could have tried as I wrote, but he knew he'd be gone quick. I think that applies to everyone out there now. What any of the guys you cited would do if they got the chance we don't know. Probably some would stand toe to toe and give us an exciting quick finish. But they, except for Ortiz, don't bring the $ to the table, unfortuantely.

Boxing alas does not exist for the fans, but for the promoters to make money. Kinda like the real world unfortunately.

[physiker]

5 years ago, I think Shane takes it. Mainly coz Shane would be more experienced, just as fast, bigger, and a better boxer than Manny. Manny improved his technical skills just couple of years ago, so I think he wouldn't have been ready for Shane 5 years ago. One thing I give Shane credit for on this Pac fight is he knows how to use his length and distance extremely well, and I'm not even talking about when Shane was running. The first few rounds, Shane used his length, enough to make pass miss-and he missed ALOT of right hooks, and he blocked pretty much all of Pac's left hook. Bbut the only problem was Shane didn't capitalize on this, maybe because he's not as fast as he would have been 5 years ago, which is why he never threw that right hand and just kept it up on his face to keep pac from hitting him with a left hook.

Excellent analysis. I am not sure I agree 100% on the 2 main points.
Just when Pac became the "new, improved" version.
And about Mos winning 5 years ago. But you made your case quite well, and you might be right.

Another posibility is that Mos would not have fought so defensively 5 years ago, and thus might have been more likely to get surprised and KOed by Pac.

What do you think of this possibility? You yourself noted where he kept his right nearly the whole fight. I still think Pac's ability to take a punch and hit back harder might have got the W over Mos even 5 years ago. He also ws with Roach (since about 2001 or so) and is very smart and adaptable. Would have been a great and difficult fight, but he still could have won. A bit like Forrest's win over Mos.

[physiker]

bob arum said manny won't face a golden boy fighter

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Too bad. Could have been a great couple of rounds, assuming the new bigger, better, braver Ortiz showed up.