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  • physiker
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    The fight and the future, Pac, Mosley and Floyd

    The Fight:Yes, it was a snoozer for the most part.

    What I can’t understand is people's reaction. Both in the arena and elsewhere.
    Obviously people who paid a lot are pissed. But it’s their own fault. All the experts said Mos was done. You all had his last few fights as evidence. Maybe some of these people will learn that the media/TV is all BS regarding everything that's on it... And stop believing in fairytales or miracles, even if "it's on TV." They presented Mos as if he found a miracle to beat back father time.

    They should have known that Mos no longer had the capacity to KO Pac, but still had the capacity to go the distance in a snooze fest, if he gave up on offense, and then tried to just defend himself. The 2nd round KD, guaranteed that.

    Mos found what all the other opponents of Pac have found in the last 10 years. If you stand toe to toe with Pac and trade combos, he can take your best shot, while his combo will KD or KO you! Then the most prudent of boxers (Cotto, Mosley) run and hide. Do you really blame them? What the hell would you do? It's easy to be an armchair boxer. But in the ring you would have just found out that this guy is

    1. Faster than you are
    2. Can take your best shot
    3. You can’t take his best shot

    Despite armchair boxer's desire to see a toe to toe fight, most boxers who can dance and defend will do just that. They just found out that they don’t have a chance in hell to win!! Put yourself in their place. And don't give me the go out on your shield armchair stuff. These are genuine tough guys who just found out the other guy is much better. Only other option is to fight real dirty which I don't respect because boxing’s rules are there to protect the boxers.

    I think Floyd realizes all this about Pac. He might not think Pac will definitely beat him, but that there is a good chance that he will. And thus he would lose his beloved "0". The latter in his own mind is the basis for his believing that he is greater than SRR, Ali etc--#1 of all time. And that he would have beat SRR and SRL. He wants to keep on believing that in his mind, as his reality is crumbling around him to some extent. This fight has most likely helped Floyd decide even more not to fight Pac, with whatever the excuse of the day is. (And let’s keep it real. We don’t need simpletons saying I am a “*******” when I am not.)

    I also think that maybe behind the scenes Floyd’s people were working on announcing some fight, maybe with Ortiz. But it either didn't pan out, or maybe Floyd is totally done, and wishes to retire on his 0. Subconsciously now perhaps, but soon if will hit him—maybe in the libel court room when he will have to admit there was no basis for his libelous statements, and he just does not want to fight Pac..

    The fight was not a fix, and Pac did not “ease up on him” in the sense that he stopped trying to KO him. That is not true. You could even see some disgust and loss of respect Pac had for Mos at the end. Whereas I think there would have been some real hugging then if Pac thought Mos did what he was capable of. But Pac said it—“He felt my power and ran.” Mos is still good enough to survive doing that. As was Cotto. Remember these guys are still dangerous if you just run in there like an idiot, they can still KO you a la Floyd vs Hatton.

    The future:
    Floyd likely won’t want any. If he did, he would find the 3 factors above apply to him too. And he will either elbow and fight dirty to tie up Pac, or run like the others. And his legs are not now used to doing that for 12 rounds. Depending on what the ref lets him get away with, it would likely be a UD for Pac or else a KO. Like Mosley could have had, if he had enough left to finish Floyd off, when he hurt him.

    Marquez does want some, and will get slaughtered this time at the higher weight. He will offer some offense and may even sting Pac again. But this time a likely KO ending at the higher weight, just because of that style—unless he too decides to do the Cotto/Mos thing after another KD.

    There is no one else now. Lower weight guys can’t live with Pac. Ortiz will get KDed (as Berto did), and then Koed. I do not think Pac should fight a current great fighter who will outweigh him by 20 pounds—Sergio. Would you? Especially if you didn’t need the money at all? So after Marquez, maybe Pac will/should hang them up.

    There is no other reasonable foe. And maybe fans will wake up and stop believing all the fairy tales on TV and boycott hopeless foes—as Mos clearly was. Or else watch, but with the expectation of reality, and that miracles or “fairy tales are for children”—Dexter (Season 5, last episode final words.)
    Last edited by physiker; 05-08-2011, 09:25 AM.
  • physiker
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    #2
    Oh, and I will have a separate post soon on Pac's legs.

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      #3
      Originally posted by physiker

      There is no one else now. Lower weight guys can’t live with Pac. Ortiz will get KDed (as Berto did), and then Koed. I do not think Pac should fight a current great fighter who will outweigh him by 20 pounds—Sergio. Would you? Especially if you didn’t need the money at all? So after Marquez, maybe Pac will/should hang them up.

      There is no other reasonable foe.

      What is sooooooo unreasonable about fighting a guy like Mike Jones, Alfredo Angulo, Robert Guerrero, Victor Ortiz or Tim Bradley??? The fact that Pacquiao might actually have to work to win the fight?

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        Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
        What is sooooooo unreasonable about fighting a guy like Mike Jones, Alfredo Angulo, Robert Guerrero, Victor Ortiz or Tim Bradley??? The fact that Pacquiao might actually have to work to win the fight?
        Not unreasonable. Just that they won't or can't win, and will not give the fans what they want--a war with Pac. And those who try like Ortiz might/would likely go out soon. Those who are coming up from a lower weight just don't have a chance. Others have never fought anyone in Pac's league, and probably couldn't live with him for long.

        Yes, they may be the best and young ones out there, but the above applies. I've seen nothing that shows they could live with Pac in the ring. Of course, as they get more experience and Pac ages, that would change, but he is now a politician with other goals as well, so he is not likely to stay longer than he should.

        Thanks.

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          My other post i s now added here:

          Pac's leg problemsPac, or his team, have cited Pac’s problems with his legs before. I recall this in his training before the last couple of fights.

          Apparently they tire or cramp. He should be able to find someone who can help. With the massive # of calories he eats, he may need some extra supplementation. Magnesium usually helps with this leg problem. And maybe he will even find someone who is expert on detecting and correcting hidden Trigger Points. His leg problem—which he said hindered his ability to chase and KO Mos, and I believe him—should be fixable if he finds the right experts.

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            #6
            Originally posted by physiker
            The Fight:Yes, it was a snoozer for the most part.

            What I can’t understand is people's reaction. Both in the arena and elsewhere.
            Obviously people who paid a lot are pissed. But it’s their own fault. All the experts said Mos was done. You all had his last few fights as evidence. Maybe some of these people will learn that the media/TV is all BS regarding everything that's on it... And stop believing in fairytales or miracles, even if "it's on TV." They presented Mos as if he found a miracle to beat back father time.

            They should have known that Mos no longer had the capacity to KO Pac, but still had the capacity to go the distance in a snooze fest, if he gave up on offense, and then tried to just defend himself. The 2nd round KD, guaranteed that.

            Mos found what all the other opponents of Pac have found in the last 10 years. If you stand toe to toe with Pac and trade combos, he can take your best shot, while his combo will KD or KO you! Then the most prudent of boxers (Cotto, Mosley) run and hide. Do you really blame them? What the hell would you do? It's easy to be an armchair boxer. But in the ring you would have just found out that this guy is

            1. Faster than you are
            2. Can take your best shot
            3. You can’t take his best shot

            Despite armchair boxer's desire to see a toe to toe fight, most boxers who can dance and defend will do just that. They just found out that they don’t have a chance in hell to win!! Put yourself in their place. And don't give me the go out on your shield armchair stuff. These are genuine tough guys who just found out the other guy is much better. Only other option is to fight real dirty which I don't respect because boxing’s rules are there to protect the boxers.

            I think Floyd realizes all this about Pac. He might not think Pac will definitely beat him, but that there is a good chance that he will. And thus he would lose his beloved "0". The latter in his own mind is the basis for his believing that he is greater than SRR, Ali etc--#1 of all time. And that he would have beat SRR and SRL. He wants to keep on believing that in his mind, as his reality is crumbling around him to some extent. This fight has most likely helped Floyd decide even more not to fight Pac, with whatever the excuse of the day is. (And let’s keep it real. We don’t need simpletons saying I am a “*******” when I am not.)

            I also think that maybe behind the scenes Floyd’s people were working on announcing some fight, maybe with Ortiz. But it either didn't pan out, or maybe Floyd is totally done, and wishes to retire on his 0. Subconsciously now perhaps, but soon if will hit him—maybe in the libel court room when he will have to admit there was no basis for his libelous statements, and he just does not want to fight Pac..

            The fight was not a fix, and Pac did not “ease up on him” in the sense that he stopped trying to KO him. That is not true. You could even see some disgust and loss of respect Pac had for Mos at the end. Whereas I think there would have been some real hugging then if Pac thought Mos did what he was capable of. But Pac said it—“He felt my power and ran.” Mos is still good enough to survive doing that. As was Cotto. Remember these guys are still dangerous if you just run in there like an idiot, they can still KO you a la Floyd vs Hatton.

            The future:
            Floyd likely won’t want any. If he did, he would find the 3 factors above apply to him too. And he will either elbow and fight dirty to tie up Pac, or run like the others. And his legs are not now used to doing that for 12 rounds. Depending on what the ref lets him get away with, it would likely be a UD for Pac or else a KO. Like Mosley could have had, if he had enough left to finish Floyd off, when he hurt him.

            Marquez does want some, and will get slaughtered this time at the higher weight. He will offer some offense and may even sting Pac again. But this time a likely KO ending at the higher weight, just because of that style—unless he too decides to do the Cotto/Mos thing after another KD.

            There is no one else now. Lower weight guys can’t live with Pac. Ortiz will get KDed (as Berto did), and then Koed. I do not think Pac should fight a current great fighter who will outweigh him by 20 pounds—Sergio. Would you? Especially if you didn’t need the money at all? So after Marquez, maybe Pac will/should hang them up.

            There is no other reasonable foe. And maybe fans will wake up and stop believing all the fairy tales on TV and boycott hopeless foes—as Mos clearly was. Or else watch, but with the expectation of reality, and that miracles or “fairy tales are for children”—Dexter (Season 5, last episode final words.)
            agreed. when defensive fighters (most black fighters but not all) get hit by pac, they will get on their bikes and ride for the border. wifebeater is no exception. wifebeater fears pac, that's why he won't even get in the ring with pac.

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            • HighFlyer
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              Pac's next opponent should be brave enough and not scared of Pac's power or else it will be a cat and mouse fight again

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                Originally posted by HighFlyer
                Pac's next opponent should be brave enough and not scared of Pac's power or else it will be a cat and mouse fight again
                Yes, I think Marquez and Ortiz fit the bill, and both will get KOed quick because of it.

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                  Originally posted by physiker
                  Pac did not “ease up on him” in the sense that he stopped trying to KO him. That is not true. You could even see some disgust and loss of respect Pac had for Mos at the end. Whereas I think there would have been some real hugging then if Pac thought Mos did what he was capable of. But Pac said it—“He felt my power and ran.”
                  Great point on this! I thought the same thing, that Pac was disgusted by Shane coz he wanted to go toe to toe but Shane didn't. You can tell that Pac was extremely upset and he's never been in a fight where people boo'd. Pac was expecting and excited and trained hard for a toe to toe battle, and he didn't get it, he felt he let his fans down. The tone on Pac's interview alone shows you that he was disguste by Mosley's running. Also if you noticed, Pac was talking alot in the ring, and we never seen him talk so much before - my guess is he's telling shane 'cmon let's fight, wtf man?' LOL

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by physiker
                    Yes, I think Marquez and Ortiz fit the bill, and both will get KOed quick because of it.
                    ortiz is with gbp though

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