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  • #71
    Originally posted by DominiBox View Post
    Instead of copying and pasting ****s you find in web, let's analyze that.
    That is my post, clownboy.

    If you disagree, then post a link.

    If you can't post a link, then stop whining, and go sit down in the corner

    Originally posted by DominiBox View Post
    Ricky Hatton: Was undefeated at his natural weight, junior welterweight.
    Mayweather fought Hatton at 147 cuz he saw how bad he looked against Collazo. FACT..... What disadvantage can you name in the Pacquiao/Hatton fight ??
    1.) Hatton was never a top fighter
    2.) Hatton was well-faded
    3.) Hatton looked shop-worn before Mayweather
    4.) Hatton even struggled ahanst Collazo and Urango
    5.) Hatton was not a highly skilled boxer
    6.) Hatton was not a highly skilled counter-puncher
    7.) Hatton was not in his prime
    8.) Hatton was not on top of his game
    9.) Because of the above reasons, Hatton was at a disadvantage in that fight

    But then, I guess you think that is not my own analysis either

    Originally posted by DominiBox View Post
    Cotto faded ?? hahahaha.... dude, you truly have some problems.
    Mayweather ducked Margarito and Cotto. He didn't even try to do those fights.
    When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

    Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

    Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

    Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

    "I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

    But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

    Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker.
    "

    Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Manny..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

    A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

    Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Manny demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

    But even that was not enough for Manny, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

    Catch-weights.....

    There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

    1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

    2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

    Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

    The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

    Shame on Manny for cheating history, not once, but twice, because he did the same thing to Margarito..... Emmanuel Steward was correct when he said that Pacquiao is a cherry-picker who does not compare with truly great fighters.

    How is my analysis coming along clownboy ?

    Originally posted by DominiBox View Post
    Learn how to get your own analysis.... copyrights reserved !!
    You fkn moron.....

    1.) that is my analysis, you dopey kid

    2.) even if it was not mine, that does not invalidate any of the points

    3.) back up your childish whining kid, and post me a link showing that analysis posted by anyone else other than me, that's a good fella

    4.) Just because you know nothing about boxing, and are incapable of writing a coherent sentence..... don't assume that nobody else is able to

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    • #72
      Originally posted by blacksocks View Post
      Clottey then was considered a top welterweight whose loses were by slimmest of margins and highly arguable until he got demolished by Pac.

      Pac should make his fights close and interesting so his opponents aren't labeled as shot.
      Like..... Shane ?

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Stl_Buay View Post
        Funny, too bad nobody from Mike Tyson to Sugar Ray Leonard to Emanuel Stewart to Burt Sugar to Larry Merchant to Evander Holyfield to Bernard Hopkins to 99% of boxing writers agree with you... The only people that agree with you are De La Hoya, The Mayweather's, and *****s AKA Pac-Haters...

        If anybody is not undefeated they are somebody's left overs. WOW Rahman should have not gotten credit for beating Lennox Lewis because he was Oliver McCall's lerftover???? LOL Martinez beat Pavlik and Williams but they were Hopkins and Quitana leftovers... Pac-Haters are funny!!!!
        thank you very much^^^^^^

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        • #74
          Originally posted by tibbar View Post
          Manny Pacquiao's last 7 opponents.....

          Lately, a number of ***** observers have commented that all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have either been old, faded, or inept. Let's take a closer look at his 7 recent fights, and see if *****S are really dumb as they appear to be.....

          Accusations leveled at Pacquiao include.....

          * Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
          * Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
          * Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
          * Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
          * Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
          * Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

          Let's apply that criteria to Manny in his last 7 opponents, and see how they stack up.

          ====================================

          David Diaz - fights at a heavier division and only got 1 loss.....
          * Manny is not a skilled boxer hes one dimensional
          * Manny is not a skilled counter-puncher
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice
          * Manny is not on top of his game, he is easy fight, easy pay
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was coming in at higher division

          Oscar De La Hoya - highest PPV attraction. challenged pacquiao to even higher weight from 135 and was believed to annihilate the smaller pacquiao.....
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice
          * Manny is not on top of his game, he is easy fight, easy pay
          * Manny was not given a chance to win
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was coming in at higher division and smaller than DLH

          Ricky Hatton - top 140 fighter, who has not lost in his division
          * Manny is not a skilled boxer hes one dimensional
          * Manny is not a skilled counter-puncher, right hook roll under, same move everytime
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice
          * Manny was fighting the top of 140 division who has not lost in that
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was smaller

          Miguel Angel Cotto - Only lost 1 with doubt that his opponent cheated, on top of the ww division.....
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice while his opponent only lost 1
          * Manny was fighting the top WW
          * Manny was fighting the top WW coming off a win
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was smaller and coming to fight at a higher division


          Joshua Clottey - a top 10 ww who gave cotto the pits and many believed he won .....
          * Manny is not a skilled boxer hes one dimensional
          * Manny is not a skilled counter-puncher
          * Manny is not on top of his game, he is easy fight, easy pay
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was smaller


          Antonio Margarito - Large, tall, heavier ....
          * Manny is not a skilled boxer hes one dimensional
          * Manny is not a skilled counter-puncher
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice
          * Manny is not on top of his game, he is easy fight, easy pay
          * Manny was fighting somebody who is coming off a win
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was smaller and lighter with his opponent at a 17lbs higher weight

          Shane Mosley - HOF, top WW.....
          * Manny is not in his prime he already lost 3 times ko twice
          * Manny is not on top of his game, he is easy fight, easy pay one dimensional
          * Manny was said to be fighting shop worn faded disadvantaged opponents
          * Manny was in a distinct disadvantage he was shorter, smaller and distincly obvious when they stand side by side.

          ====================================

          All-in-all, that is a damn shabby accusations for the P4P fighter, especially when you consider all of the disadvantages to Manny during those fights..... e.g. challenging for higher weight divisions, enticing him to fight by agreeing to catch-weight thinking they canbully him and walk him around the ring, against some heavier bigger top of their division fighters, letting him use 8oz gloves thinking that theyre giving him confidence with it besides the smaller guy cant hurt them

          Now, I can understand over confident top fighters taking the odd bout against a lesser smaller one-dimensional, easy-work easy-pay right-hook- roll -under- same-move-everytime i-cant feel his pounces opponent.....
          but EVERY opponent in his last 7 fights?

          How fkn lame was that ?

          The Pac always challenges himself, and according to a significant number of trainers/fighters/journalists/analysts..... HE is the FIGHTER of the DECADE, thats 2000-2009!!

          SUMMARY: There is no question that Manny is a fighter, and *****S hate him so much for it. .
          ^^^^^^^effort at its finest...lol...thank you sir!

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          • #75
            Originally posted by War Aficionado View Post
            Pac is so full of himself.They paint you this pretty picture of a god fearing, humble congressman who fights for his country. I call bull****. Label me a hater.. I don't care but fighting worn vets, looking past sugar ..imitating The Great Bruce Lee.. staging a CONCERT after the ppv, that irks me. It's like he's mocking the guy he's in the ring with and hardcore fans who really understand the media scam behind it all. I know it's wrong but I hope Shane hurts him bad so he can stop *****footing around.
            still butt hurt after the cotto fight??

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            • #76
              Originally posted by War Aficionado View Post
              Mosley was available years ago. He'd asked Pac for a fight after demolishing Marg and was denied after failing to comply with the demands of a catchweight. Arum also stated "he wasn't a draw" so they went with ...clottey fight instead.
              did u know the feud about gbp and toprank?? thank you very much...

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              • #77
                i dont know about you, but in my opinion win or lose against mosley, manny will fight jmm..

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                • #78
                  arum is really shrewd......gbp guys can learn much with arums strategies in bzniz.
                  no way can gbp match the offer. they will lose marquez.
                  one last fyt with manny cannot be compensated with 2 other fyts.
                  oscar can only curse the genius that is bob arum.......
                  manny and juanma can fyt even if manny loses to mosley...and it will still earn big money.
                  marquez will have better chance of beating manny if the latter will lose agains mosley.
                  oscar is cursing hard....swearng to high heavens.

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                  • #79
                    JMM is 37, Mosley is 39 or 40 so i doubt they have longer to spend in boxing, GBP need to be more scare their younger fighters arent jumping ship not the older shot ones.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by blaze778 View Post
                      And Oscar lost Nonito back to Arum.

                      Same thing happened with Pac.
                      EXACTLY, although Oscar made a valid point at the end of the day. Oscar should not be crying because he did Arum dirty as well.

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