How many of Ortiz's Titles weren't at a Catchweight?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Thank U,I didn't comment on how I felt about the 2 situations.I simply pointed out that while they are similar,they're not the same.Team Pacman chose Cotto,they also demanded a catchweight.Team Berto chose Ortiz,who inturn demanded a catchweight.Now don't add to what I was saying with,"are U saying Cotto didn't want the fight",because I never said that.Big payday,the champ chose to accept the fight & the catchweight.Whatever.But in Ortiz's case,he the challenger demanded a catchweight as part of accepting Berto's fight offer.

I didnt add anything. I asked. It seems like you're tying to point a really trivial difference which doesnt even bear mentioning. The situations are still pretty much exactly the same.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Wow,so U jump of of misunderstanding my post on to something else altogether??That's how U get down??U don't even acknowledge ur **** up 1st??

Bush would you agree both Cotto and Berto sign the contract knowing about the catchweight??Cause if you do they both knew what they sign up for and should have been ready either way..Mosley sign on to do ost I can't use that as a reason why Mosley lost..

[Bushbaby]

I didnt add anything. I asked. It seems like you're tying to point a really trivial difference which doesnt even bear mentioning. The situations are still pretty much exactly the same.

They're not the same.Berto chose Ortiz,Pacman chose Cotto.

[Chups]

wow this thread is ******ed... berto had been coming in at 145 in his past fights.. and ortiz was moving up ******s.

That's right Hector but I didn't see you post this absurdness when the same thing exactly happened when Pac fought Cotto.


Oooops I forgot, you hate both races.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

They're not the same.Berto chose Ortiz,Pacman chose Cotto.

What does this even mean and how is it even relevant? What is the significance of who "chose" who? I think it was Bob Arum who chose to make Pacquaio vs Cotto

[Bushbaby]

Bush would you agree both Cotto and Berto sign the contract knowing about the catchweight??Cause if you do they both knew what they sign up for and should have been ready either way..Mosley sign on to do ost I can't use that as a reason why Mosley lost..

So I guess u'll continue to claim that I said anything about losing when I didn't now??My post was about Cotto-Pacman & Berto-Ortiz not being the same situation,not a word about why whoever lost,lost.

[Chups]

They're not the same.Berto chose Ortiz,Pacman chose Cotto.

Yup they are not the same. Pac was going up from the Hatton fight while Berto is moving down from Welter for just a pound. Nothing is exactly the same in boxing.

The only same thing that happened here is that all four agreed and signed the contract.

[americanbot]

both berto & cotto struggle with making 147...

just because a fighter may come in a pound or 2 under 147 doesn't mean they don't struggle with it.....it means their just highly dedicated to making the weight. berto use to fight in the 160's for goodness sakes.

putting a catchweight on a guy damages him mentally & physically (in training camp) because in some form or another it disrupts their training camp......

i still feel that the catchweight on cotto was wrong & i can kinda see the point of this thread.........

[Rome-By-Ko]

My goodness,my only original point that while the ts was trying to compare the 2,though they were similar,they were not the same,that's it.I wasn't justifying anything while condemning another bro.

For example,while a mustang & a camaro are both pony cars,they are not the same car.That's not saying that a camaro is better because I like it more,ok??

Sorry I miss understood..But I have to say they awful similar to each other..

[Rick Grimes]

Still no link saying the fight was signed with catchweight included in the contract.