To Those Who Were Putting Juan Ma Over Cotto Already...

[spyvsspy]

yeah, but there's 100% certainty that cotto gases around the 6th and gets on his bike when he can't hurt his opponent and that cotto will take knees to stop getting hit, while juanma is willing to go out on his shield.

different strokes for different folks.

Lol at you calling cotto a knee taker. You obviously get no respect anywhere therefore you pick a minor detail of a great fighter's career and subject him to it. You, madame, are probably posting while getting butt****d in cell block C.

[JmH Reborn]

[FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=3]cause pac doesn't pressure like margo does

I'd say he does, and he's more lethal and powerful. Its a different type of pressure, but non-stop pressure nonetheless.

it's a fair statement to say that cotto is a 6 round fighter.

He's 19-2 for in every fight that went over 6 rounds. I'd say more often than not, he's mostly effective after 6 rounds.

c'mon son... you don't get to where juanma gets by not know what defense and boxing effectively is. the problem is that he's too brave for his own good

And one can argued that his level of opposition allowed him to get where he got, without relying on boxing technique and defense. He blew out inferior opposition. Against Mtwaga, when things got tough, defense and boxing ability were the furthest from his mind. He should have gotten stopped in the 10th. Against Marquez, he just overpowered him, but was getting tagged left and right. If that fight would have continued, who knows if he's even fighting Salido on Sat nite. And then against Salido, well we all saw that. You say bravery, and I say a lack of fundamentals and poor coaching to correct those deficiencies.

quitting on your knees is a lot more disgraceful than going out on your shield.

I suppose you were happy with the khan/mccloskey stoppage, since you are so squeamish.

Going on your knees is not disgraceful when you are getting pummeled by equally world class level. Getting blown out by journeyman and never-was when you are supposedly worldclass and saying that its just bravery is what is disgraceful. Even an ounce of technical skills would have ensured that JuanMa is victorious on Saturday night.

In reference to the Kahn fight, I don't get how you can infer that I'm squeamish because I think that coined term is ****** and I'd like to see my fighters have some skills instead of being a punching bag and laud them for going out on their shield.

The stoppage was BS because McCloskey was not hurt and did not have a cut bad enough to warrant a stoppage.

Anyways, this argument is silly. You're the same dude that says that Martinez is ducking nobodies like Pirog and Kirkland

[KingTito]

cause pac doesn't pressure like margo does



it's a fair statement to say that cotto is a 6 round fighter.



c'mon son... you don't get to where juanma gets by not know what defense and boxing effectively is. the problem is that he's too brave for his own good



quitting on your knees is a lot more disgraceful than going out on your shield.

I suppose you were happy with the khan/mccloskey stoppage, since you are so squeamish.

Honestly, to say Cotto is a 6 round fighter is ******. You talk about Cotto "quitting" when Ortiz in your sig legitimately quit against Maidana. I'm not **** talking Ortiz. I'm a fan of his. But who are you or anyone else on here to judge a fighter on how he fights? Especially someone like Cotto who's always fought the best and fought hard. The people who compared Juanma to Cotto just weren't thinking rationally.

[Pullcounter]

Lol at you calling cotto a knee taker.

he took a knee didn't he? that's a fact that he took a knee

[hhs661]

JuanMa better than Cotto??

[Pullcounter]

I'd say he does, and he's more lethal and powerful. Its a different type of pressure, but non-stop pressure nonetheless.

pac is not as relentless

He's 19-2 for in every fight that went over 6 rounds. I'd say more often than not, he's mostly effective after 6 rounds.

never said he wasn't effective... the main thrust of my argument is that cotto gasses after the 6th round

And one can argued that his level of opposition allowed him to get where he got, without relying on boxing technique and defense.

can't deny your point, but styles make fights

Going on your knees is not disgraceful when you are getting pummeled by equally world class level.

not saying cotto shouldn't keep his defense up, but cotto should've went out on his shield. his corner should've realized cotto was done and thrown in the towel to save cotto from the disgrace.

Getting blown out by journeyman and never-was when you are supposedly worldclass and saying that its just bravery is what is disgraceful.

can't knock a boxer that goes out on his shield. never.

Even an ounce of technical skills would have ensured that JuanMa is victorious on Saturday night.

he's too macho for his own good. that's why ricans love him.

In reference to the Kahn fight, I don't get how you can infer that I'm squeamish because I think that coined term is ****** and I'd like to see my fighters have some skills instead of being a punching bag and laud them for going out on their shield.

never said I didn't like boxers who had skills. never said I like boxers who are punching bags.

Going out on your shield isn't a matter of skills or a matter of resiliency, like you're trying to make it out to be. Even the most skilled defensive fighter can go out on his shield... it just means they won't stop until someone knocks them unconscious.

The stoppage was BS because McCloskey was not hurt and did not have a cut bad enough to warrant a stoppage.

yep and you hate that because you don't wanna see a real fight. you wanna see boxers play patty cake.

Anyways, this argument is silly. You're the same dude that says that Martinez is ducking nobodies like Pirog and Kirkland

never meant to say martinez is ducking them... just saying martinez shouldn't duck them. there's a different.

[Bushbaby]

I don't think Juanma is lacking skill... I'm saying juanma is too brave, considering that his chin is questionable and his defense is spotty.

cotto isn't as brave, considering his lack of stamina and the openings in his defense.

it really depends on what you like and don't like.

if juanma can fight a disciplined fight, he can beat salido

My little 2 cents,what the hell does lack of stamina & openings in his defense have to do with being Brave??

[Pullcounter]

Honestly, to say Cotto is a 6 round fighter is ******.

cotto gases after 6 rounds, then he gets on his bike. that's what he does.

You talk about Cotto "quitting" when Ortiz in your sig legitimately quit against Maidana.

cotto can redeem himself by beating margo or someone in their prime with margo-type pressure.

I'm not **** talking Ortiz. I'm a fan of his.

stop *****ting on ortiz. ortiz redeemed himself last weekend. I still want him to get his revenge on maidana tho

But who are you or anyone else on here to judge a fighter on how he fights?

what a ****** as question...

that's like asking what right do you have to judge how lebron plays. it's the fan's perogative.

Especially someone like Cotto who's always fought the best and fought hard.

never said he ducked tough fights or didn't fight hard.

The people who compared Juanma to Cotto just weren't thinking rationally.

never said juanma is better than cotto... just saying juanma prefers to go out on his shield and cotto prefers to take knees. you can qualify that whatever way you want.

[Pullcounter]

My little 2 cents,what the hell does lack of stamina & openings in his defense have to do with being Brave??

it means that cotto is aware of his flaws and tries to minimize risks, hence less brave.

[Bushbaby]

it means that cotto is aware of his flaws and tries to minimize risks, hence less brave.

U do realize that this is a comparison between Juanma & Cotto right.If so,then U know that El Pelinchin chased Juanma throughout Puerto Rico.Cotto on the other hand got abused by Margarito but is trying for a rematch.Now I don't know bout U,but that is ****ing brave.