Call me crazy I want to see Ortiz vs Floyd

[Horus]

Is Ortiz some sort of traitor to the country that I'm unaware of? Why is everybody so interested in feeding him to lions? As a fight worth fighting for Floyd after Manny Pacquiao has single handedly nearly cleaned out the Welterweight division... sure, Ortiz applies. As a fight that's beneficial to Victor Ortiz? Um... rethink that one. You have guys his age coming out of the Olympics like Demitrius Andrade fighting guys that wouldn't get licensed to spar with Victor Ortiz and guys that have been prospects since they were his age, for like four years now, barely stepping up to 'faded ex-champ' level competition like Vanes Martirosyan. They're considered the "future". You'd crucify the promoter that had them fight the best fighter in the world.

Why are we in such a hurry to have a guy jump from going life and death at times with Andre Berto to fighting Floyd Mayweather and, even worse, Manny Pacquiao? He's still clearly inexperienced. He needs a trainer that can gameplan instead of cheerlead, a LOT of patience (that might be a TKO1-3 if Ortiz sets up the attack rather than trying to bumrush Berto after seeing he can KO him), and vision (who didn't see that sixth round knockdown by Berto coming when he was laying on the ropes inviting Victor to punch himself out?).

Let Pacquiao and Mayweather deal with each other in the here and now. Let the exciting, charismatic, talented, newly crowned world champion 24 year old be the future. Let him rematch Andre Berto and prove that he's here to stay. Let him attempt to clean out what is his for his age the "old guard" at Welterweight like Joshua Clottey, Luis Collazo, or possibly Miguel Cotto. Let him rematch Marcos Maidana and face adversity that he'd need to beat in order to know within himself that he could belong in a ring with Mayweather or Pacquiao. Let him fight a Selcuk Aydin, Mike Alvarado, Shawn Porter, Brad Solomon, or Mike Jones to solidify himself as "on another level" from the other young guys. Let him add Paulie Malignaggi to his resume. Let him have his own even terms PPV showdown against Amir Khan or Timothy Bradley.

If Mayweather and Pacquiao are still around in three to five years and Victor Ortiz is truly on their level by winning fights such as those above then it was meant to be. If not, he can just wait for the next 24 year old star to come to him and make big money with them.

Thank you. I could not agree more!
Pacquiao and Mayweather built their way to Fame. It was not a overnight thing. Ortiz needs to do the same thing.

[-ELO-]

Don't agree there.

Let's not forget, though Ortiz fought a hell of a fight, he got hit with his share of punches that the likes of Manny or Floyd would take advantage of much, much more than Berto was capable of doing.

I think the reason for this was to show everyone that he has the balls and the mentality to go to war. He has been doubted for quite a while and you could tell what his intentions were right from the get-go.

If he were to fight Pac or May I believe his team and him would use another game plan, at least that's what I would hope.

[Ko King 212]

Is Ortiz some sort of traitor to the country that I'm unaware of? Why is everybody so interested in feeding him to lions? As a fight worth fighting for Floyd after Manny Pacquiao has single handedly nearly cleaned out the Welterweight division... sure, Ortiz applies. As a fight that's beneficial to Victor Ortiz? Um... rethink that one. You have guys his age coming out of the Olympics like Demitrius Andrade fighting guys that wouldn't get licensed to spar with Victor Ortiz and guys that have been prospects since they were his age, for like four years now, barely stepping up to 'faded ex-champ' level competition like Vanes Martirosyan. They're considered the "future". You'd crucify the promoter that had them fight the best fighter in the world.

Why are we in such a hurry to have a guy jump from going life and death at times with Andre Berto to fighting Floyd Mayweather and, even worse, Manny Pacquiao? He's still clearly inexperienced. He needs a trainer that can gameplan instead of cheerlead, a LOT of patience (that might be a TKO1-3 if Ortiz sets up the attack rather than trying to bumrush Berto after seeing he can KO him), and vision (who didn't see that sixth round knockdown by Berto coming when he was laying on the ropes inviting Victor to punch himself out?).

Let Pacquiao and Mayweather deal with each other in the here and now. Let the exciting, charismatic, talented, newly crowned world champion 24 year old be the future. Let him rematch Andre Berto and prove that he's here to stay. Let him attempt to clean out what is his for his age the "old guard" at Welterweight like Joshua Clottey, Luis Collazo, or possibly Miguel Cotto. Let him rematch Marcos Maidana and face adversity that he'd need to beat in order to know within himself that he could belong in a ring with Mayweather or Pacquiao. Let him fight a Selcuk Aydin, Mike Alvarado, Shawn Porter, Brad Solomon, or Mike Jones to solidify himself as "on another level" from the other young guys. Let him add Paulie Malignaggi to his resume. Let him have his own even terms PPV showdown against Amir Khan or Timothy Bradley.

If Mayweather and Pacquiao are still around in three to five years and Victor Ortiz is truly on their level by winning fights such as those above then it was meant to be. If not, he can just wait for the next 24 year old star to come to him and make big money with them.

So you think MAB shouldnt have fought PAC? My thing is If we don't give these young dudes a chance how are we going gain new stars. I'm mean Hoya had to fight chavez and sweet pea. Both all-time greats(I mean they weren't in their primes. And Floyd is def not in his) and he didn't belong in the ring with them.

With that said I get your point tho. I guess we see things differently.

[Chuckguy]

That's not crazy at all. Mayweather vs. the best welterweight not named Pacquiao? Who would complain about that?

I agree with what you said about the counter in the second but Berto has much more pop than floyd
but hey this would be a great comeback fight for floyd and vic is a southie so it would be a good test so he can grow a pair and fight pac should he win

[Ko King 212]

Thank you. I could not agree more!
Pacquiao and Mayweather built their way to Fame. It was not a overnight thing. Ortiz needs to do the same thing.

They built their names off big time fighters.

[Horus]

They built their names off big time fighters.

King my dude, Manny and Floyd are currently two living legends. Both are legit All time greats.

Ortiz is now just starting to get his resume in order.
Lets not forget he should have lost that fight to
LAMOUNT PETERSON... Which says it all by itself.

So forgive me, if I want to see if he can have prolonged success against top competition before I consider him a legit challenger to the two legit great fighters we have left.


Manny is on a 7 year winning streak!
Floyd is undefeated!

Both have done this by fighting at the highest levels in boxing.
So lets see how Ortiz does before we jump the gun.

Right now.
I love to see
Ortiz vs. Berto 2
Ortiz vs. Khan
Ortiz vs. Peterson 2 (12 rounds)
Ortiz vs. Cotto
Ortiz vs. Paul Williams
Ortiz vs. Devon Alexander
Ortiz vs. Bradley
Ortiz vs. Cheater ass Margarito
Ortiz vs Mosley

He fights in 4 of those 9 fights, then I would be really hype to see him fight Manny or Floyd. Because right now all he is, is a tune for both of them.

[Roja's480]

i think ortiz shouldnt fight may he needs to build up his resume get good wins, what do you guys think if he goes in at this moment into a fight with may and loses, dont get me wrong i would love to see it but may breaks guys down mentally and if he fights may at this point in time he might go back to his bad habits of quiting and i wouldnt like that to happen but let me know what you guys think

[Larrysbird]

Ortiz should fight Cotto, Margarito et. al before Pac. or Mosley before Floyd and see how it goes.

[Chadmazing]

So you think MAB shouldnt have fought PAC? My thing is If we don't give these young dudes a chance how are we going gain new stars. I'm mean Hoya had to fight chavez and sweet pea. Both all-time greats(I mean they weren't in their primes. And Floyd is def not in his) and he didn't belong in the ring with them.

With that said I get your point tho. I guess we see things differently.

Manny Pacquiao was a 2 weight world champion on a run of exciting and impressive victories when he fought Barerra (and was seen as an opponent). Oscar De La Hoya was an unbeaten Olympic Gold Medalist that had been a 2 weight World Champion with 9 wins in those reigns when he fought Chavez. He was ready for the test. Victor Ortiz had been running through good gatekeepers like a train through wet toilet paper but the fact is that the first time he faced a world level opponent he got run through, broken down mentally, and quit. He still has to prove himself somewhere between "better than Berto" and "ready for Mayweather and Pacquiao" if you don't want to risk ruining a 24 year old talent.

If Ortiz was the 126 pound fighter and Gamboa was an inexperienced but sensational and unbeaten Cuban Olympic Champion at 147 pounds... yes, make it happen. Fighters fall into levels and shouldn't be forced away from their levels without breaking through. Ortiz/Pacquiao would be as good as taking David Lemieux and putting him against Sergio Martinez before Marco Antonio Rubio on the strength of being a young power puncher against an aging champ. He'd have gotten hurt bad.

[Cash Cow]

Floyd dosn't have the punching power of Berto Floyd has never knock out a Welter Wieght only a little 5 foot 4 inch jr Welter who lunges. Ortiz is a much better fighter than Zab Judah who gave Floyd trouble until Zab ran out of gas. I say Floyd avoids Ortiz cause he's not over 37 and is not a little lightwieght or Jr Welter wieght.

LMAO@ "until Zab ran out of Gas"

Floyd Mayweather vs Zab Judah

Mayweather dropped first 2 rounds on 2 cards after getting outlanded 11-5 in power shots in opening 6 minutes. Start of round 3 All Floyd from then on, as he outlanded Judah 153-53 in power shots, including 28-2 in the 9th. Floyd played some “D” as well, as Judah landed in single digits in total connects in 10 of 12 rounds.

<^^^does that mean Zab "tired" himself out after the 2nd round?

Overall, Mayweather landed 205 of 441 (46%) total punches to 89 of 485 (18%) for Zab.

Floyd also landed 158 of 322 (49%) power shots to 64 of 177 (36%) for Judah, who managed to land just 25 of 308 jabs (8%).

Scoring: 116-112; 117-111; 119-109.