Williams vs Ortiz make it happen

[jrosales13]

I didn't ask for 1 example.

I can give you 1 example of anything. that is ******ed. but i can't expect anymore from you.

Hey i know a guy that got hit by lightening. We must've all been hit by lighening right? DERP DER DERR

If you want to make a case for someone like Paul Williams coming back, you gotta tabulate a list of examples to make your case. History is on my side. Sorry son.

Well basically you did cuz' you said NOBODY has done it. Now that I that I told you somebody have. You change the goal post. It's OK. Obviously you were wrong when you said NOBODY right?

Who has Paul stopped cold?

he is a walking bingo stick right now.

Nobody has ever come back from a stiff KO like that the same.

And, no history is waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too long for it to be on your side.

[jrosales13]

Cotto has never ever lost to someone the level of Vernon Philips in his prime. Cotto's loss to Margarito will not be upheld in history because of the scandal with Margarito's handraps. Kostya doesn't have such a story. He was stopped by a journeyman. That tarnishes his legacy.

Well in that case Cotto>>>Arguello Fucking ey.

Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division? So you agree that most of the times winning championships in multiple weight divisions is greater than unifying one division right? Okay now that we've settled that.

Ahhh...No really is 50/50. Pep only fought in one weight-class is arguably a top 5 ATG.

It goes by case bu case basis.

You would have a case IF and only IF Kostya has any victories over legit HOFers in their prime.

He doesn't. Your opinion = BULL****E


I feel like I'm talking to Forrest Gump here.

Well neither does Cotto, Mosley wasn't prime when they fought.

[Rassclot]

Well basically you did cuz' you said NOBODY has done it. Now that I that I told you somebody have. You change the goal post. It's OK. Obviously you were wrong when you said NOBODY right?



And, no history is waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too long for it to be on your side.

I said nobody came back the same. Ruiz came back as a shell-shock clinch and holder exclusively. He never went onto greatness either.

If history is way too long for it to be on my side then you can start popping off knocked-cold cases that came back to be great. Or I'm gonna call bull**** on you again.............................

[jrosales13]

I said nobody came back the same. Ruiz came back as a shell-shock clinch and holder exclusively. He never went onto greatness either.

If history is way too long for it to be on my side then you can start popping off knocked-cold cases that came back to be great. Or I'm gonna call bull**** on you again.............................

Ruiz is arguable a top 3 HW in the last decade. Not great. But, wasn't ruin. Far from it.

Now you changing the goal post again. You try to make it seem like that type of KO ruins fighters. Now they have to achieve greatness after getting KO'd. .

Beating Ortiz is not greatness anyways so P-Will has a chance.

Both Tony Demarco and Rocky Graziano had very good wins after being put to sleep. Just a couple more examples. I just want to see you change the goal post again before naming others.

[Rassclot]

Well in that case Cotto>>>Arguello Fucking ey.



Ahhh...No really is 50/50. Pep only fought in one weight-class is arguably a top 5 ATG.

It goes by case bu case basis.



Well neither does Cotto, Mosley wasn't prime when they fought.

Arguello and Pep has victories over prime HOF competition.

Tszyu does not.


Once again, those are 2 exceptions to the rule. If you look at the ATG rankings vast majority of them are title holders in multiple weight divisions.

what part of that do you not understand?

For every Arguello and Pep you name I can give you Ray Robinson, Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, ODHL, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Hearns ..... The fact is multiple weight championship is more revered over single weight class domination by a huge margin. That is an accurate perimeter based on facts. you are owned historically and logically.



Shane Mosley wasn't out of his prime because he still knocked out Antonio Margarito after losing to Cotto. That was Shane's 2nd best career win after ODLH. So you can't say Shane wasn't in his prime.



Irregardless, Tszyu never came close to beating an HOFer at this stage of their career.

Try again Forrest.

[jrosales13]

Arguello and Pep has victories over prime HOF competition.

Tszyu does not.


Once again, those are 2 exceptions to the rule. If you look at the ATG rankings vast majority of them are title holders in multiple weight divisions.

what part of that do you not understand?

For every Arguello and Pep you name I can give you Ray Robinson, Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, ODHL, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Hearns ..... The fact is multiple weight championship is more revered over single weight class domination by a huge margin. That is an accurate perimeter based on facts. you are owned historically and logically.



Shane Mosley wasn't out of his prime because he still knocked out Antonio Margarito after losing to Cotto. That was Shane's 2nd best career win after ODLH. So you can't say Shane wasn't in his prime.



Irregardless, Tszyu never came close to beating an HOFer at this stage of their career.

Try again Forrest.

Ahhh. Arguello won titles in multiple divisions. What are you talking about? I mentioned him cuz he got not only outboxed in one fight but also KO'd in his prime. Doesn't take away from his greatness. Which was some silly point you tried to make for Kostya.

Again moving up, is all good. But, if you never beat the best nor win a legit championship then is not as good as cleaning out a division.

Yes Kostya has a win not only against a HOF'er but an ATG. True he doesn't have a win against a prime HOF'er but neither does Cotto.

You're fucking ******ed.

[jrosales13]

Arguello and Pep has victories over prime HOF competition.

Tszyu does not.


Once again, those are 2 exceptions to the rule. If you look at the ATG rankings vast majority of them are title holders in multiple weight divisions.

what part of that do you not understand?

For every Arguello and Pep you name I can give you Ray Robinson, Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, ODHL, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Hearns ..... The fact is multiple weight championship is more revered over single weight class domination by a huge margin. That is an accurate perimeter based on facts. you are owned historically and logically.



Shane Mosley wasn't out of his prime because he still knocked out Antonio Margarito after losing to Cotto. That was Shane's 2nd best career win after ODLH. So you can't say Shane wasn't in his prime.



Irregardless, Tszyu never came close to beating an HOFer at this stage of their career.

Try again Forrest.

Ahhh. Arguello won titles in multiple divisions. What are you talking about? I mentioned him cuz he got not only outboxed in one fight but also KO'd in his prime. Doesn't take away from his greatness. Which was some silly point you tried to make for Kostya.

Again moving up, is all good. But, if you never beat the best nor win a legit championship then is not as good as cleaning out a division.

Yes Kostya has a win not only against a HOF'er but an ATG. True he doesn't have a win against a prime HOF'er but neither does Cotto.

And, for every one of those fighters you name, you can also name a Pep, Monzon, Hagler, Wilde. Louis, Ali...Blah blah blah.

Like I said moron is a 50/50. It goes case by case.

You're fucking ******ed.

[Rassclot]

Ruiz is arguable a top 3 HW in the last decade. Not great. But, wasn't ruin. Far from it.

Now you changing the goal post again. You try to make it seem like that type of KO ruins fighters. Now they have to achieve greatness after getting KO'd. .

Beating Ortiz is not greatness anyways so P-Will has a chance.

Both Tony Demarco and Rocky Graziano had very good wins after being put to sleep. Just a couple more examples. I just want to see you change the goal post again before naming others.

LOL @ Ruiz being top 3 HW of the last decade. you must've lost your mind. Klitschkos and Lennox would own the top 3. Lennox's 1 vitory over Vitali > Ruiz's entire career.

Never moved the goal post. you are just a ****** that keeps calling things inaccurately.

I never said Paul doesn't have a chance. So stop arguing with your imaginary friends.

If Paul came back and beat Ortiz for his WW belt, that would definitely be a feat of greatness. He could go from being washed up good fighter to a great come back story. not HOF worthy but it would be a great feat. However the odds are heavily stacked against him simply because of history.


Most people who get cold clocked do not come back the same. that is simply an educated opinion based on facts heavily supporting it.


You're the ****** kid that wants to argue against it using exceptions to the rule. it ain't nothing new. but ******ation and stubbornness is the worst combination to have.


With that said. I've wasted enough time entertaining you. I didn't know they let kids style up this late at the asylum.

[johncods]

Ortiz body bags that bum.

[jrosales13]

LOL @ Ruiz being top 3 HW of the last decade. you must've lost your mind. Klitschkos and Lennox would own the top 3. Lennox's 1 vitory over Vitali > Ruiz's entire career.

Never moved the goal post. you are just a ****** that keeps calling things inaccurately.

I never said Paul doesn't have a chance. So stop arguing with your imaginary friends.

If Paul came back and beat Ortiz for his WW belt, that would definitely be a feat of greatness. He could go from being washed up good fighter to a great come back story. not HOF worthy but it would be a great feat. However the odds are heavily stacked against him simply because of history.


Most people who get cold clocked do not come back the same. that is simply an educated opinion based on facts heavily supporting it.


You're the ****** kid that wants to argue against it using exceptions to the rule. it ain't nothing new. but ******ation and stubbornness is the worst combination to have.


With that said. I've wasted enough time entertaining you. I didn't know they let kids style up this late at the asylum.

Who says it's a rule first of all? It goes by case by case again you dumb ****. There is no rule. Actually the rule might be that is worse to comeback from a true devastating beating than it is being KO'd cold in a couple of rounds. Now that might be a rule. What you're stating is not a rule you dumb ****.

And, 10 years of work is better than 3 years of work.

Yes Lewis has the best lone win. But, one lone win does not surpass a whole resume. I don't know why you keep thinking this.



You really are ******ed? Are you a Floyd fan? I hope so...I would be embarrassed as a Pac fan if you were a Pac fan.