Williams vs Ortiz make it happen

[jrosales13]

Cotto is a first ballot HOFer. how is he not comparable to James Toney? Toney has been caught on roids. His entire legacy is in question due to the scandal. He's the Jose Canseco of boxing. and he smeared boxing's public image by taking a joke fight in the UFC for a paycheque. don't even compare him to a true great like Cotto.


Now that aside, Amir was never stopped coold.

Dura was never stopped cold.

Holyfield was never stopped cold.

Lennox Lewis was never stopped cold.





Do you even know what stopped cold means?

Ahhh....No he's not. If Donald Curry is not a first ballot HOF'er, hell if Curry or Booker are in the HOF. Then for damn sure Cotto is not a first ballot HOF'er.

And, Toney is a borderline ATG, Cotto is not, Cotto is a borderline HOF'er. Not comparable at all man.

[jrosales13]

fell down. still moving is not cold.


cold =

Duran KO was just as vicious as P-Will.

But, anyways fine Ruiz against Tua. He was out cold. And, was out cold on his feet and took a couple extra shots from real puncher. A KO artist. And cameback better and stronger than ever.

There are other examples throughout history. That have comeback after being out cold.

Whether or not P-Will can remains to be seen. He could very well comeback or better or his chin might be crack. He's a question mark right now.

[Rassclot]

Ahhh....No he's not. If Donald Curry is not a first ballot HOF'er, hell if Curry or Booker are in the HOF. Then for damn sure Cotto is not a first ballot HOF'er.

are you ******ed?

If Kostya Tzyu is a first ballot then Cotto is a shoe-in. Legit 3 division weight champ and fought the best of his time. Only 1 loss to the greatest of the decade and another loss in question.


Cotto is first balloter.

[$Bullsfam$]

Get the **** outta here, P-Will would murk him. I actually picked Ortiz to win but he's not good enough to hang with Williams yet. It's the same non-sense bull***** that everybody thought with Cotto. After Marg stopped him "he'll never ever be the same! He'll be lucky to be world champion again!"

Get the **** outta here. It was just a good shot that happened to land clean. Williams took it to Martinez in the 1st fight. Their will be a 3rd fight some day. If the weight didn't kill him at this point, at 147 Williams would be all over him and finish. Ortiz showed heart but I don't think could survive Williams pounding on him with combination after combination for several rounds.

[jrosales13]

are you ******ed?

If Kostya Tzyu is a first ballot then Cotto is a shoe-in. Legit 3 division weight champ and fought the best of his time. Only 1 loss to the greatest of the decade and another loss in question.


Cotto is first balloter.

No not at all. Are you ******ed? Tszyu>>>>Cotto.

Again if Curry nor Booker is in the HOF then Cotto is not a shoe in at all.

[Rassclot]

Duran KO was just as vicious as P-Will.

no it wasn't.

he wasn't out cold. he fell and he was conscious got up under his own power within seconds. completely different levels of trauma.

Paul Williams was concussed. Brain shut down and all that.


John Ruiz always had a defensive style. he became an exclusive roman greco boxer after Tua as well and of course never beat a great fighter.

Is Paul Williams defensive holder? No.

[Rassclot]

No not at all. Are you ******ed? Tszyu>>>>Cotto.

Again if Curry nor Booker is in the HOF then Cotto is not a shoe in at all.

How is Tszyu greater than Cotto?

Make your case and prepare to sound ******ed.

[jrosales13]

no it wasn't.

he wasn't out cold. he fell and he was conscious got up under his own power within seconds. completely different levels of trauma.

Paul Williams was concussed. Brain shut down and all that.


John Ruiz always had a defensive style. he became an exclusive roman greco boxer after Tua as well and of course never beat a great fighter.

Is Paul Williams defensive holder? No.

Oh so now it's about a style it's not about brain shut out...I gotcha, lets keep moving the goal post.



F'ing idiot.

[Rassclot]

Oh so now it's about a style it's not about brain shut out...I gotcha, lets keep moving the goal post.



F'ing idiot.

as with any case, a sequence needs to be dissected from multiple perspectives that would lead to the most probable outcome.


you have to look at the severity of the KO and the style of the fighter. those are 2 of the most apparent contributing factors to future KO's. LOL @ the ignorant fool trying to hurl insults when cornered with logic.

[jrosales13]

How is Tszyu greater than Cotto?

Make your case and prepare to sound ******ed.

Because, he dominated a weight-class for half a decade(Cotto never did this), cleaned out the division(Cotto never done this), unified the division(I don't think Cotto ever did this), became undisputed in the division(Cotto has never come close to this). Actually beat the best fighter in the division(Cotto never did this BTW).

What makes Cotto greater? Because, he won 3 paper titles in 3 divisions? 2 of them being vacant?

And, then if you want to go with wins...Cotto has the better one win. The Mosley win is better than any ONE win of Kostya. I won't argue that. But, one win doesn't surpass a WHOLE resume. And, if you match every win after that lone win Kostya owns Cotto.

Now make your ****** ass case. Bring up something that I haven't brought up.