Williams vs Ortiz make it happen

[jrosales13]

as with any case, a sequence needs to be dissected from multiple perspectives that would lead to the most probable outcome.


you have to look at the severity of the KO and the style of the fighter. those are 2 of the most apparent contributing factors to future KO's. LOL @ the ignorant fool trying to hurl insults when cornered with logic.

I'm not being cornered with anything

You just changing the goal post.

First who has been KO'd so severely and comeback. Then who has been KO'd cold, then who has been KO'd cold but not a defensive style.

Just keep changing it. It is what it is man.

believe you of all people can not corner me.

[chiguy91]

damn, even though i like ortiz, i think paul can possibly take it, thats if the KO loss from maravilla didnt mess his mentality up. also, im not even sure paul can make WW comfortably. all that still remains to be seen. it would be a hell of a fight though, definitely proof victor's ability and will at WW more than berto imo

[Rassclot]

Because, he dominated a weight-class for half a decade(Cotto never did this), cleaned out the division(Cotto never done this), unified the division(I don't think Cotto ever did this), became undisputed in the division(Cotto has never come close to this). Actually beat the best fighter in the division(Cotto never did this BTW).

What makes Cotto greater? Because, he won 3 paper titles in 3 divisions? 2 of them being vacant?

And, then if you want to go with wins...Cotto has the better one win. The Mosley win is better than any ONE win of Kostya. I won't argue that. But, one win doesn't surpass a WHOLE resume. And, if you match every win after that lone win Kostya owns Cotto.

Now make your ****** ass case. Bring up something that I haven't brought up.

LOL @ this asshat throwing mud on Cotto's achievements while cooking upTszyu's turds (comparatively speaking).


Champion in multiple weight classes > domination of one weight class

This has been proven historically time and time again. RJJ Jr, Leonard, Duran and Pac. best fighters of the last 40 years are all upheld because of this.

Getting a long running streak in one weight class is good but Tszyu never dared to be great.

and that is why his resume is so thin. Hello, his best win is Judah for God sakes.

Get that **** outta here.


Cotto has a legit win over a first ballot hall of famer and 3 division belt holder > 1 division champ with career best win over Zab Judah.

[Rassclot]

I'm not being cornered with anything

You just changing the goal post.

First who has been KO'd so severely and comeback. Then who has been KO'd cold, then who has been KO'd cold but not a defensive style.

Just keep changing it. It is what it is man.

believe you of all people can not corner me.

i never changed the goal post. that assessment in itself is inaccurate and dumb.

i am simply looking at another contributing factor for Ruiz's comeback.

Anyway, in any case, Ruiz is the EXCEPTION to the rule BECAUSE OF HIS STYLE. You cant look at Yao Ming and say all Chinese are tall right?

Now, I'll be waiting as you tabulate the list of fighters that came back to beat great fighters with KO power after being iced cold.

[jrosales13]

LOL @ this asshat throwing mud on Cotto's achievements while cooking upTszyu's turds (comparatively speaking).


Champion in multiple weight classes > domination of one weight class

This has been proven historically time and time again. RJJ Jr, Leonard, Duran and Pac. best fighters of the last 40 years are all upheld because of this.

Getting a long running streak in one weight class is good but Tszyu never dared to be great.

and that is why his resume is so thin. Hello, his best win is Judah for God sakes.

Get that **** outta here.


Cotto has a legit win over a first ballot hall of famer and 3 division belt holder > 1 division champ with career best win over Zab Judah.

3 paper titles though. Cotto was 0 times legit champion. Kostya was a legit champion.

second point those guys actually beat the best fighter in at least one of the divisions they campaigned in. Cotto has NEVER EVER done that. Kostya did it.

Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division. Especially if one you don't become a legit champ and/or two beat the best fighter in your division at least once. Cotto has done neither, Kostya has done both. Please STFU.

[jrosales13]

i never changed the goal post. that assessment in itself is inaccurate and dumb.

i am simply looking at another contributing factor for Ruiz's comeback.

Anyway, in any case, Ruiz is the EXCEPTION to the rule BECAUSE OF HIS STYLE. You cant look at Yao Ming and say all Chinese are tall right?

Now, I'll be waiting as you tabulate the list of fighters that came back to beat great fighters with KO power after being iced cold.

You ask for an example and I gave you one. Maybe if you watch boxing before 2007 you would know WTF you're talking about.

[Jack Napier]

at 147? that would be great
Williams KO'd again and Milton will be gone :joker:

[SCtrojansbaby]

LOL at people who think Paul Williams can still make 147

[Rassclot]

You ask for an example and I gave you one. Maybe if you watch boxing before 2007 you would know WTF you're talking about.

I didn't ask for 1 example.

I can give you 1 example of anything. that is ******ed. but i can't expect anymore from you.

Hey i know a guy that got hit by lightening. We must've all been hit by lighening right? DERP DER DERR

If you want to make a case for someone like Paul Williams coming back, you gotta tabulate a list of examples to make your case. History is on my side. Sorry son.

[Rassclot]

3 paper titles though. Cotto was 0 times legit champion. Kostya was a legit champion.

second point those guys actually beat the best fighter in at least one of the divisions they campaigned in. Cotto has NEVER EVER done that. Kostya did it.

Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division. Especially if one you don't become a legit champ and/or two beat the best fighter in your division at least once. Cotto has done neither, Kostya has done both. Please STFU.

Cotto has never ever lost to someone the level of Vernon Philips in his prime. Cotto's loss to Margarito will not be upheld in history because of the scandal with Margarito's handraps. Kostya doesn't have such a story. He was stopped by a journeyman. That tarnishes his legacy.

Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division? So you agree that most of the times winning championships in multiple weight divisions is greater than unifying one division right? Okay now that we've settled that.


You would have a case IF and only IF Kostya has any victories over legit HOFers in their prime.

He doesn't. Your opinion = BULL****E


I feel like I'm talking to Forrest Gump here.