Enough with this 'hype job' and 'exposed' BS

[Las Vegas,]

Berto is the definition of a hypejob. And I don't say that to take credit from Ortiz, I say it to give him even more. Ortiz was the one to finally beat Berto's ass around the ring and show us how bad he is. Ortiz kicked the sh** out of the man and deserves the gratitude of every boxing fan for doing so.

I usually don't buy into the hype job crap, but Berto was the very definition of it. I couldn't be happier he finally lost and has to earn his place again.

You are actually. To say he's a hype job means you're saying he isn't that good of a fighter but rather HBO's golden child. I understand where you're coming from though. Berto is a very talented fighter with tremendous speed. Ortiz beat the legitimate WW champion. Not the IBF diamond belt etc, this is a huge win for Ortiz. Just like Sergio Martinez's win over Paul Williams, and Miguel Cotto's win over Zab Judah were big wins aswell.

[bojangles1987]

You are actually. To say he's a hype job means you're saying he isn't that good of a fighter but rather HBO's golden child. I understand where you're coming from though. Berto is a very talented fighter with tremendous speed. Ortiz beat the legitimate WW champion. Not the IBF diamond belt etc, this is a huge win for Ortiz. Just like Sergio Martinez's win over Paul Williams, and Miguel Cotto's win over Zab Judah were big wins aswell.

It is a huge win for Ortiz. He proved he is a legitimate top welterweight, and how he did so was by beating the hell out of a guy HBO had protected and allowed to stay out of the ring with a good welterweight for years. He showed he was on an entirely different level. You can be a good fighter like Berto and still be a hypejob. I don't know what else you would call a fighter who hasn't fought anything resembling a threat since the Collazo fight.

Paul Williams and Zab Judah were not hypejobs either, they proved themselves in ways Berto couldn't compare before they lost those fights.

See I disagree that calling a guy a hypejob always takes credit away. Beating hypejobs prove you aren't a hypejob.

[The Gambler1981]

It is a huge win for Ortiz. He proved he is a legitimate top welterweight, and how he did so was by beating the hell out of a guy HBO had protected and allowed to stay out of the ring with a good welterweight for years. He showed he was on an entirely different level. You can be a good fighter like Berto and still be a hypejob. I don't know what else you would call a fighter who hasn't fought anything resembling a threat since the Collazo fight.

Paul Williams and Zab Judah were not hypejobs either, they proved themselves in ways Berto couldn't compare before they lost those fights.

See I disagree that calling a guy a hypejob always takes credit away. Beating hypejobs prove you aren't a hypejob.

Hypejobs is saying a guy is not that good, so beating one really should mean nothing~


You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[Iceta Lives]

If people want to not call these guys hype jobs then fine. But what they were was very protected and even if they would've won last night it wouldn't have changed that perception because Salido isn't highly regarded at all and Ortiz is an average fighter as has been shown against Maidana and when he couldn't beat Peterson all that impressively like Bradley did for example. If these guys are the torch carriers of boxing then boxing is in trouble. Let's just put it that way.

[ChiTown2Diego]

Im really just tired of it. Instead of giving credit to the winner, you make the loser out to be ****. Its just plain ******.

I actually gained respect for Berto last night, Ortiz looked so much better than in the past and Berto went on from getting decked twice in the first round to making it a war. I didnt think he had that in him. And Berto did not get 'exposed', hes as hes always been....a fighter without amazing fundamentals, but extremely explosive and powerful.

Fighters can change drastically from fight to fight, and talented, skilled guys beating other talented, skilled guys does not = exposed. Just because a guy lost doesnt change how good he is magically. stop ****ting on guys that just lost, theyre still damn good fighters, simply losing doesnt erase an accomplishments they had in the past.

give credit to the winner instead of discrediting the loser.

Good job homie, but as long as people play in those BS threads they'll keep posting 'em. I just ignore those threads

[Brand814]

Yea I don't really agree with the way 'hypejob' and 'exposed' are used on most boxing forums. People now calling Berto a hypejob is crazy imho. I GAINED respect for Berto in that fight last night.

People probably saying Juanma was exposed last night? I dont know, imo he wasnt exposed and is still a great fighter, just had an off night or something, I dont really know. Quick stoppage too, but that's a whole other discussion.

Kirkland aint a hypejob imo either, got 'exposed' a little, but that might be because of not having Anne in his corner, who knows. Just my opinion.

Seems like a loss is the end of the world for some people on here, when it really aint at all. ESPECIALLY for Berto last night, and juanma even.

[Deeznuts]

Im really just tired of it. Instead of giving credit to the winner, you make the loser out to be ****. Its just plain ******.

I actually gained respect for Berto last night, Ortiz looked so much better than in the past and Berto went on from getting decked twice in the first round to making it a war. I didnt think he had that in him. And Berto did not get 'exposed', hes as hes always been....a fighter without amazing fundamentals, but extremely explosive and powerful.

Fighters can change drastically from fight to fight, and talented, skilled guys beating other talented, skilled guys does not = exposed. Just because a guy lost doesnt change how good he is magically. stop ****ting on guys that just lost, theyre still damn good fighters, simply losing doesnt erase an accomplishments they had in the past.

give credit to the winner instead of discrediting the loser.

I agree to a point...some of these fighters haven't really fought any world class competition and once they do they get rocked, Kirkland is one and so is Berto. Paul Williams is one of these guys who really didn't get exposed but got caught with a good shot. He fought world class fighters and beat them. With Juanma, I'm still debating that because he beat an undefeated Deleon and stopped Marquez but you could are argue about their world class status at the time. But who has Berto and Kirkland fought? They were exposed.

[bojangles1987]

Hypejobs is saying a guy is not that good, so beating one really should mean nothing~


You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Hypejob doesn't mean you aren't good. Hypejob means you were hyped up to the point you are considered at a level you shouldn't be. Berto is a good fighter who was hyped up as a great fighter. He was a hypejob.

[bojangles1987]

I agree to a point...some of these fighters haven't really fought any world class competition and once they do they get rocked, Kirkland is one and so is Berto. Paul Williams is one of these guys who really didn't get exposed but got caught with a good shot. He fought world class fighters and beat them. With Juanma, I'm still debating that because he beat an undefeated Deleon and stopped Marquez but you could are argue about their world class status at the time. But who has Berto and Kirkland fought? They were exposed.

See Lopez isn't a hypejob at all. He was hyped up sure, but he had done things to deserve the hype and was considered in a class he deserved to be in.

[The Gambler1981]

Hypejob doesn't mean you aren't good. Hypejob means you were hyped up to the point you are considered at a level you shouldn't be. Berto is a good fighter who was hyped up as a great fighter. He was a hypejob.

Yea that is precisely what it means, if you aren't at a level you are thought to be at guess what you ARE NOT THAT GOOD.


You can say that if you want but you can not call it a good victory then, you can't have it both ways.