Comments Thread For: Pacquiao vs Marquez is Likely Next For Manny, Says Arum

[FerdinandMarcos]

When was the last time Bob Arum contacted Al Haymon for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight?

Because last I heard, Mayweather said if you want to negotiate with him, you have to talk to Haymon/Ellerbe. Bob Arum has been talking to everyone BUT Haymon or Ellerbe. He talks to Don King, he talked to Schafer but they beefed so that's done, he talked to Ross Greenberg. He talks to every one except for the guys that matter.


All I really want is, other than May vs Pac of course, if Bob Arum can't get a fight with Floyd because of their differences with Floyd's people, then fine, I can deal with that, it's a business but there's a feud that can't be reconciled, fine. But at least put his little dog on a leash, Manny Pacquiao, on going around saying he accepted Floyds requests but that Floyd doesn't want to fight. When we all know very well Arum, Haymon and Ellerbe haven't even talked for a while about negotiations. It's all been Team Pac talking, Koncz, Arum, Roach, always Team Pac making things up, talking for Floyd. Just stop it, do your thing and shut up, stop mentioning Floyd all the time if your people are not even contacting his people.

Arum doesn't want to make the fight with Floyd.

If Bob thought Manny could beat him the fight would have happened already.

He wishes he has a fighter that could beat Mayweather.

He knew Cotto and Margarito couldn't do it....and he knows Manny can't do it.

[namme]

Pac is the dumbest fighter ever...he's giving Arum 30%..

Floyd had sense to leave that crook....so did Oscar.

What's Manny's excuse???

He can't think on his own.

I don't think he's that dumb, because if he is he could not have reached everything that he has right now. Arum has helped him in many ways whether you like it or not.

Not everyone thinks the same way as Floyd and Oscar. These two are just too proud of themselves...narcissistic people.

But Pacquiao, what has he achieved? In life, not everything is defined in terms of money...I suspect floyd loses everything he has when he reaches 45yo. On the other hand, Pacquiao achieved far greater than floyd and oscar has combinely achieved. BWAA fighter of the decade...the top P4P champion, a man loved by his own country...etc.

And that's dumb for you? I pity you man.

[» HE3R0 «]

We all should be experienced enough as fans of boxing to know that fights like this aren't new. And yes just because something is old practice, doesn't mean we should accept it either. We're all allowed to show our frustrations, but it seems some are just complaining for complaining's sake.

But people who feel so offended by certain fights should definitely not pay or better yet, not even watch the fight at all.

We all want great boxers to always be great. However, we should know from past Greats that that's not always possible. Great fighters also take easy fights and even take a break from the sport entirely. It would be amazing for Pacquiao and his legacy to yo-yo up and down weight classes.

"Drop to 135 for JMM."

"Go to 154 and take on Sergio."

"Move back down to 147 and fight Berto."

We all want to witness those scenarios (in any order). But maybe we're all stuck on the Manny that jumps weights from years past and don't want to notice that maybe Pac doesn't want to jump up and down the scales anymore.
He has reached the pinnacle of the sport and has made sacrifices and given up advantages to opponents in plenty of his prior fights.

Pacquiao has taken fights on late notice, fights with a more experienced opponent, fights where he was out-skilled, fights where he was the considerably smaller man, has lost multiple times, and yet kept going. Manny made the same sacrifices and gave up advantages for the right opportunities just like every other boxer.

JMM is well aware of these same sacrifices and advantages that a boxer gives up in the sport and business of Boxing. And as with most business, not everything is fair. If he doesn't want the money, then he can stay where he is. Nothing wrong with that. If he does, then he'll have to consider sacrifices that every other boxer would kill to make. The same sacrifices that Pacquiao has made.

Fight or flight.

[-Spinal-]

I wanted Berto to be next, but I don't blame Manny for choosing JMM. Berto has done nothing to show that he wants to be elite so if he gets passed over, it's his own d@mn fault.

What did Manny Pacquiao do to show that he's an elite fighter, before fighting Barrera? If i'm not mistaken, it was the Barrera win that made Pacquiao an elite fighter, and finally got him noticed in boxing as a legit new star.

Who did Shane Mosley beat at 135 to show that he's elite and get a shot at the biggest cash cow at the time and get his biggest pay day at 147 against Oscar De La Hoya?

How much more will Sergio Martinez have to do to get the big money fights?

What did Odlanier Solis do to get a fight with one of the best HW's in his division and get that big pay day?


Exactly, your logic is ******. As a matter of fact, with your logic, there wouldn't be any stars in boxing. So you have to just fight forever, without ever fighting a big name fighter, because you never had a big name fighter on your resume to begin with, so that means you don't deserve a big fight.

[namme]

Pac is the dumbest fighter ever...he's giving Arum 30%..

Floyd had sense to leave that crook....so did Oscar.

What's Manny's excuse???

He can't think on his own.

I don't think he's that dumb, because if he is he could not have reached everything that he has right now. Arum has helped him in many ways whether you like it or not.

Not everyone thinks the same way as Floyd and Oscar. These two are just too proud of themselves...narcissistic people.

But Pacquiao, what has he achieved? In life, not everything is defined in terms of money...I suspect floyd loses everything he has when he reaches 45yo. On the other hand, Pacquiao achieved far greater than floyd and oscar have combinely achieved. BWAA fighter of the decade...the top P4P champion, a man loved by his own country...etc.

And that's dumb for you? I pity you man.

[namme]

We all should be experienced enough as fans of boxing to know that fights like this aren't new. And yes just because something is old practice, doesn't mean we should accept it either. We're all allowed to show our frustrations, but it seems some are just complaining for complaining's sake.

But people who feel so offended by certain fights should definitely not pay or better yet, not even watch the fight at all.

We all want great boxers to always be great. However, we should know from past Greats that that's not always possible. Great fighters also take easy fights and even take a break from the sport entirely. It would be amazing for Pacquiao and his legacy to yo-yo up and down weight classes.

"Drop to 135 for JMM."

"Go to 154 and take on Sergio."

"Move back down to 147 and fight Berto."

We all want to witness those scenarios (in any order). But maybe we're all stuck on the Manny that jumps weights from years past and don't want to notice that maybe Pac doesn't want to jump up and down the scales anymore.
He has reached the pinnacle of the sport and has made sacrifices and given up advantages to opponents in plenty of his prior fights.

Pacquiao has taken fights on late notice, fights with a more experienced opponent, fights where he was out-skilled, fights where he was the considerably smaller man, has lost multiple times, and yet kept going. Manny made the same sacrifices and gave up advantages for the right opportunities just like every other boxer.

JMM is well aware of these same sacrifices and advantages that a boxer gives up in the sport and business of Boxing. And as with most business, not everything is fair. If he doesn't want the money, then he can stay where he is. Nothing wrong with that. If he does, then he'll have to consider sacrifices that every other boxer would kill to make. The same sacrifices that Pacquiao has made.

Fight or flight.

If people here could still not understand this, then I say, they're just simply dumb or too proud to admit that what he says here is true.

[-Spinal-]

you wouldn't consider it but after he blows out BOTH Berto and Bradley, everyone else will


they would say Tim was too small and didn't have the pop to keep PAC honest and they would say Berto wasn't all that to begin with


the reality is, unless he moves up AGAIN or gets that chicken**** to come out of hiding, EVERY fight will be considered a cherrypick

But what they can't say is how Berto and Bradley have already lost before. They can't say "oh Bradley lost in his last fight, that's why Pac chose him", they can't call Berto past prime or shot because he's 27 and undefeated. Both Bradley and Berto are fresh young fighters.

I've always said, out of Berto, Mosley and Marquez, Berto is the best fight to make out of those. Berto is closer to Pac's age than Mosley. 27 and 32. 32 and 39. It's not even about age, it's about fighting some one who's in a good win streak or at least hasn't lost in his last fight or looked like shit.

Now Marquez at 140 is a different story. That's a good fight and i'm down with that weight for a mega fight.

At 147, it better just be a tune up.

[FerdinandMarcos]

Berto would be an easier fight for Pac. How would Berto cope with Pac's footwork, angles and uppercuts? It would be a massacre. And for less money. Berto is still young and this trilogy may never happen if it can't be made now.

Pac don't even want this trilogy. He's an entertainer. To him Marquez is boring as hell as a dance partner. All he does is wait and counter. Pac feels uneasy when nothing is going on in the fight. Marquez won't do it. If Pac does it it will be at his own peril. You'll see it in the Clottey fight. He's clearly frustrated doing all the work.

Pac's footwork LOOKS good against guys that BLOCK punches....not SLIP punches.

Manny is off-balance many times in his fights...fighters that SLIP can make him pay.....dearly.

He looks like a beast against guys that hide behind their gloves...but what happens when he faces a guy that's not there when he attacks??????????????????????

Hats off to Arum and Roach for their superb matchmaking skills...

[brick wall]

pac has already outgrown 135 i don't understand why some people are insisting on that. that's ******ed...pac will have to starve himself to make 135. not to mention he has to change entirely his training and conditioning methods. i haven't seen a fighter coming 2 weights down for a fight. well, roy jones did but he only had 1 fight at HW and immediately came down to LHW. and it did take a toll on his body. pac's been comfortably figting at 147...what's the point of coming down to 135? legacy you say? more like ******ity. he drains himself, fights like **** and gets ko...his legacy gets tarnished.

[FerdinandMarcos]

But what they can't say is how Berto and Bradley have already lost before. They can't say "oh Bradley lost in his last fight, that's why Pac chose him", they can't call Berto past prime or shot because he's 27 and undefeated. Both Bradley and Berto are fresh young fighters.

I've always said, out of Berto, Mosley and Marquez, Berto is the best fight to make out of those. Berto is closer to Pac's age than Mosley. 27 and 32. 32 and 39. It's not even about age, it's about fighting some one who's in a good win streak or at least hasn't lost in his last fight or looked like shit.

Now Marquez at 140 is a different story. That's a good fight and i'm down with that weight for a mega fight.

At 147, it better just be a tune up.

Berto isn't ******-up enough...

He's not wearing a fresh ass-whipping..

He has a zero...

Never been beaten to his knees..

Never got a fractured eye-socket from a guy that can't punch open a box of Girl Scout cookies.

Never slammed off a turnbuckle..


Berto has nothing in common with Manny's opponents.