Comments Thread For: Andre Berto: Feeling Unstoppable as The Moment Nears

[Jack Napier]

this is a credible fight, but not an overly risky one
of course Berto feels confident
Ortiz has shown he may crack under pressure
also choked when he coulda stopped Peterson

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

J Dubb.

Legitimacy isn't just being a physical fit for the weight-class, it's whether or not you're a legitimate challenge for a titlist at the weight. So, with no further ado, Hernandez? #11 ranked?

We can't call Urango a legitimate welterweight because he'd never proven he could do anything there, i.e. he'd never campaigned at the weight or excelled enough at 140 to suggest he was deserving of jumping straight into a shot at a welterweight title. The success of his style at 140 is pretty much entirely predicated on his overbearing size at the weight, which becomes much less of a factor 7lbs north. Berto didn't even excel in beating this guy. Not an impressive win.

Collazo is a very nice fighter, that was a good win. I hesitate to say very good, because Collazo hasn't done that much with his talent. But he was a titlist at least. Solid win.

Quintana. Another titlist with good ability, but one who had fallen well out of contention and was clearly worse for inactivity and the weight. Still, we'll give it a pass. Ok win.

What else since Berto got his strap? Forbes? I mean, I'm a fan of Forbes, but even a #13 ranking was a stretch at welterweight.

And now Ortiz? Come on. This guy's championship credentials are questionable at 140. What's he done? It's a fun fight, but it does little for Berto's record, honestly.

so much to lose here, so I think it's safe to say that we're gonna see a different Ortiz here, not the same guy who was passive against Peterson, ran from Nate or quit against Maidana, but a guy who understands that this is it.

This is why I keep wondering if somebody knows something about Victor that we can't see. Like they know he's going to magically grow some intangibles at welterweight or something.

But, looking at it, GBP don't have that many glamor options for Vic at 140 with the current set of peers and titlists. So I guess they figured it was now or never and decided to risk whatever stock he has left on this one, because the matchup is kind of an exciting prospect on paper.

Ortiz is so dumb, though, that I don't think he's really capable of fully comprehending how much rides on this and I'm thinking that the closest he'll get to rising to the occasion is mean-mugging at pressers.

I don't think much of Berto, but I expect him to kick Ortiz' ass and it won't be a matter of who's bigger, but just that he's more of a fighter than Ortiz. I only see Ortiz winning if something he throws catches Berto just right and by surprise (either cold or when Berto is running things) and hurts him enough for Ortiz to force a stoppage. Which would be earth-shatteringly embarrassing for Berto.

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

Devon Alexander, for all his sins; when that guy beat Urango, it meant something. Because Urango had done things at the weight-class they both campaign in. And, not that stoppages are the be-all and end-all when comparing performances, but Alexander fought a much more impressive fight overall.

That doesn't make Berto look good, frankly.



Really, Collazo is all Berto has in 3 years. He gets just a bare modicum of kudos for Quintana in the state that guy was in. Collazo. That's it. Everything else is dubious.

It's not like the division is teeming with options. But, goodness, go out of your way to make something happen and don't just be content for your management to eschew any stern tests outside of the interchangeable #1 and #2 P4P.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Berto is def stoppable if victor does not quit and believes in him self..IMO he can not win this fight the way he's been fighting his last three to four fights..He will have to be vicious once again or Berto will beat him bad..Berto has very bad intentions for this fight,he wants to make a point Ortiz better wanna do the same or he is fried..

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

That's just it.

He's only "Vicious" Victor up to a certain level of comp. Above that level, the badman in him shrinks somewhat.

[J Dubb II 330]

never called Urango a legit Welter. I just proved he doesn't just fight JWW, 3 his entire career.

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

I don't know what Berto's point is, though, rome.


That he can T/KO a less proven 140lber than Juan Urango?

Ortiz has some fine boxing skills, we keep hearing about 'em, but he hasn't even shown near enough in the way of Championship intangibles against guys in the next weight-class down.

[Rome-By-Ko]

That's just it.

He's only "Vicious" Victor up to a certain level of comp. Then the badman in him shrinks somewhat.

I agree,but he has to know this is the last stop on the train called his career..He must lay it all on the line..Berto has a lot of weakness,1.His stamina,2.His chin is not the best I seen it can be broken,3.Although fast and strong Berto squares up a lot when he fights and is wide open for uppercuts and overhand rights...Ortiz imo has better skill Berto better talent..But Berto has shown better heart,even tho I felt he lost the Collazo fight in the end he dug dip and made it close where I could not call the outcome a robbery(even tho I did not agree)Ortiz flat out quit when he could have stopped Maidana tbh that said a lot..

Ortiz has what it takes imo but he has to believe it,and so does his corner imo..The way they been training him to cruise(in the Peterson and Campbell fights)and not try to get his guy outta there is a big reason I see him losing this fight..I hope they changed their training methods,because once again Berto has very bad intentions..

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

never called Urango a legit Welter. I just proved he doesn't just fight JWW, 3 his entire career.

He's what's called a career JWW. As in, that's the weight he's campaigned at.

A few fights where a guy weighed a couple pounds over 140 against 'some other guys' (who were also career JWW's or lighter) doesn't mean anything when it comes to assessing his credentials to fight for a welterweight title. It's completely irrelevant.

[PEBBLES!]

Both these chumps get nothing from me.