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  • whirlwind
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    #11
    Originally posted by [KLTP]
    Champions as in belt holders? or Champions as in top fighters of that time? If it's the 2nd one I can think of atleast 10 off the top of my head who have done 5 or more.

    As in belt holders....I know Barrera won a belt when he beat Morales or Naseem, I can't remember which but I know the belt was vacated shortly after. So Pacquiao didn't win a featherweight title from Barrera. Did he?
    Barrera was a lineal champ and a Ring magazine champ. Ring Magazine championship was far more credible and recognized than these corrupt sanctioning bodies just in case you doesn't know.



    PACQUIAO TKO 11 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA
    Date, location: Nov. 15, 2003, San Antonio
    Weight: Featherweight (126 pounds)
    At stake: THE RING magazine championship
    Records: Pacquiao; Barrera 57-3 (40 KOs)
    Background: Pacquiao fought a series of quality fighters after his upset of Ledwaba –- failing to win only when his fight against Agapito Sanchez was ruled a draw after Pacquiao was cut by a head butt -- but this was different. Barrera was the true big leagues, a future Hall of Famer who was at least near his prime and one third of a trio of gifted Mexicans who would help define Pacquiao’s career. The task was formidable. Pacquiao would be fighting for the first time at 126 pounds and was in hostile, pro-Barrera territory in Texas. No one could quibble with the odds: 4-1 in Barrera’s favor. None of the above mattered once the opening bell sounded, though. Pacquiao, a better boxer under Roach and the same physical marvel, was too good and much too fast as he overwhelmed the veteran. Pacquiao went down in the first but quickly got to his feet and dominated the rest of the way, putting his foe down in the third and 11th rounds and forcing one of the proud warrior’s cornerman to stop the slaughter. “This a fight that will shake up the boxing world,” HBO commentator Larry Merchant said in the waning moments of the fight. It certainly did. Pacquiao had arrived.
    Last edited by whirlwind; 04-14-2011, 08:12 AM.

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      #12
      Actually I didn't read the 2nd part where you said about the tune ups. Nice find by the way. I can't think of anyone who's done that. I need to do research.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Instinto
        *****s are doing research on this subject, later they would come up with answers.
        Originally posted by [KLTP]
        Actually I didn't read the 2nd part where you said about the tune ups. Nice find by the way. I can't think of anyone who's done that. I need to do research.
        Opss.

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        • Doctor_Tenma
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          #14
          Not sure if he's the first but that is pretty impressive.

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            #15
            Wasn't his first fight at welterweight against Oscar? Oscar wasn't a belt holder at WW.

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              #16
              Originally posted by -drebin-
              Wasn't his first fight at welterweight against Oscar? Oscar wasn't a belt holder at WW.
              Oh yeah. There goes the record.

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              • whirlwind
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                #17
                Originally posted by -drebin-
                Wasn't his first fight at welterweight against Oscar? Oscar wasn't a belt holder at WW.
                Originally posted by [KLTP]
                Oh yeah. There goes the record.
                It was a freak show. He wasn't officially moved there and Pac was a super featherweight back then who only fought once at lightweight to be considered a welterweight. It is a ****** suicide idea if he fights Oscar at light middleweight or middleweight. So they agreed to fight at welterweight. After that he moved down to 140.
                Last edited by whirlwind; 04-14-2011, 07:46 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by whirlwind
                  It was a freak show. He wasn't officially moved there and Pac was a super featherweight back then who only fought once at lightweight to be considered a welterweight. It is a ****** suicide idea if he fights Oscar at light middleweight or middleweight. So they agreed to fight at welterweight. After that he moved down to 140.
                  I suppose I kind of see your logic but it seems a bit selective to decide when he 'officially' moved to a weight class. By that logic you could even argue he never 'officially' moved to 140 because he was technically coming down from 147 (although he did weigh in at 142 if I recall correctly) and then moved back to 147 right after. It depends how you percieve things I suppose.
                  Last edited by -drebin-; 04-14-2011, 07:49 AM.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by -drebin-
                    Wasn't his first fight at welterweight against Oscar? Oscar wasn't a belt holder at WW.
                    This ^^^^^^^^^^^

                    And cotto wasn't the ring champ either. So there goes that argument. And his first fight at 140 was after he already passed 140, and the last 3 of those divisions wins were against recently defeated fighters...............david diaz? enough said. Thats like claiming cotto fought the lineal champ in foreman.

                    Nice try though. Plus what about his previous 2 fights and upcoming bout?

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                    • whirlwind
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by -drebin-
                      I suppose I kind of see your logic but it seems a bit selective to decide when he 'officially' moved to a weight class. By that logic you could even argue he never 'officially' moved to 140 because he was technically coming down from 147 (although he did weigh in at 142 if I recall correctly) and then moved back to 147 right after. It depends how you percieve things I suppose.
                      Pac was a super featherweight who fought only once at lightweight to be considered a welterweight but then fighting Oscar (a former welterweight champ by himself) at welterweight in that time before the outcome was considered a suicide to the former flyweight champ who only fought once at lightweight. So it still quite impressive.
                      Last edited by whirlwind; 04-14-2011, 08:03 AM.

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