Comments Thread For: Marquez Eyes Judah, But Won't Rule Out Manny Pacquiao

[Illdil]

Oh man, sorry bud. I mistook that as a slam. I just had to mention it because that was the perfect counter shot, just like Mayweather's was against Hatton as well...



Berto really is the only fight out there for Pacquiao other than JMM, who looks to leaning to stay with GBP. And that fight is possible because Berto isn't with GBP. I am hoping that is the fight for Pac after Mosley if he beats Mosley and Berto beats Ortiz (which I think both will win). The best part is if Pacquiao beats Mosley, Arum has no more fighters for him to fight. So he will be forced to fight Berto or Bradley (if Bradley beats Amir if they fight) which will give us a new breath of fresh air...

Again, sorry for taking your response the wrong way. Oh, and regarding Holyfield vs. Tyson, I agree on that as well. As I was saying, Holyfield's last great fight was the Michael Moorer rematch. After that, against Vaughn Bean, Lewis and Ruiz, he started to show his slide was consistant and he would never be what he was before. Morales showed the same thing AFTER the first Pacquiao fight...

oh no worries bro and i agree if PAC beats mosley and berto beats ortiz pacquiao v Berto will b huge fight cuz berto is undefeated brings hes blets and manny with hes and can have a great unification fight and thats the only fight left for Pacquiao cuz he has fought everyone else

[Lorily]

See, I agree with this wholeheartedly. Too bad people won't see this as an unbiased view but perceive it that you think Pacquiao is superhuman. Even though you don't agree with the last couple fight choices of Pacquiao (and neither do I), nobody will look at that. They will look at you as a Pac freak. But, hey, at least me and you know better...

I hear you Slugger. See, I look at it like this - everyone has an opinion and that's what we're here for. Some people will go beyond boxing and make it personal. The thing is, some of the more extreme fans for one fighter will never admit their fighter can do anything wrong and bash all others by comparison... and an extreme hater will never admit that their hated fighter can do anything right, and bash him by all other comparison. I don't know which one is worse, but I'd rather listen to a fan be a fan, then a fan be a hater. I think in the end "real" people are able to wade through all the B.S. and see who is being genuine and who is not. But, it is what it is - and it in no way affects my personal life, so it's "whatever" to me.

Oh man, sorry bud. I mistook that as a slam. I just had to mention it because that was the perfect counter shot, just like Mayweather's was against Hatton as well...



Berto really is the only fight out there for Pacquiao other than JMM, who looks to leaning to stay with GBP. And that fight is possible because Berto isn't with GBP. I am hoping that is the fight for Pac after Mosley if he beats Mosley and Berto beats Ortiz (which I think both will win). The best part is if Pacquiao beats Mosley, Arum has no more fighters for him to fight. So he will be forced to fight Berto or Bradley (if Bradley beats Amir if they fight) which will give us a new breath of fresh air...

Again, sorry for taking your response the wrong way. Oh, and regarding Holyfield vs. Tyson, I agree on that as well. As I was saying, Holyfield's last great fight was the Michael Moorer rematch. After that, against Vaughn Bean, Lewis and Ruiz, he started to show his slide was consistant and he would never be what he was before. Morales showed the same thing AFTER the first Pacquiao fight...

My fear is that he will try to put together a Pac vs Cotto rematch. I have zero interest in that, but we already know that Arum could care less what the "real" fans want and more for what he thinks will make him more money.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

The reason Pacquiao IS so hittable is because he is willing to actually open up in there to make an exciting fight. He could do the hit and hold or run around the ring routine that some other fighters do if he wanted to, but he doesn't because he actually wants to entertain his fans. I'm not saying he WANTS to get hit, but I am saying that he is WILLING to get hit, in order to make it a good fight. That doesn't mean he's "lost a step", he's always been willing to take a couple of punches in order to give 5 or 6 back in an exchange. That's what makes people really want to watch him.

And as far as "Pac just hasn't been up against any resistance and been fighting lesser fighters", I think that is exagerating it just a bit really. You gotta remember who the critics and a large number of fans thought would win going in to the fight with both ODLH and Cotto. Those weren't "gimme" fights. There's no way in the world that Pac or Roach could have known that Oscar was going to come in to the ring a walking dead man. Oscar did that to HIMSELF. And as far as Cotto goes, even though he got beat down against Margarito, people still thought Cotto was too big and too strong for Manny. Hell, if you watch the first 4 rounds of Pac vs Cotto, Miguel was doing a subperb job of outboxing Pac. He just couldn't keep up the pace of what it would have taken to beat Pacquiao, and I also think he was surprised that Manny didn't fold after hitting him with his best shots.

Side note: I'm not defending all of Arums choices for Pacquiaos opponents, I'm certain there were probably better opponents that could have been picked. But I think it's crazy that some people don't want to give even the slightest bit of credit to Manny, for fights that on paper sounded a whole lot worse then they actually were in the ring. All of Pacquiaos fights (except for Clottey) were all entertaining, and again - there's no way anyone could have known that Clottey would choose not to fight back, well except for a few conspiracy theorists that is.

I have to disagree with the bolded. The best defense for a subpar defense is offense, and THAT is why Manny opens up. He knows his own strengths and weaknesses. Sound defense is the only kink in his game. His offense is blazing enough to off-set that flaw.

[Johnny_Roa]

Marquez is a ***** imo.. he goes after that 4th title vs an old shot Judah.. when Khan was offered he wanted nothing to do with it..

Age is not a factor, Marquez is going to be 38 soon
So what fight do you propose? Marquez is only going for the most lucrative fights or one that makes him a champion in the 4th division
I bet youre gonna say Berto, or Khan, but Khan is on his way to stardom, and a Marquez fight would only make him look bad, running in circles or being outclassed/outsmarted

[sdcluser]

Neither IMO. GBP can't guarantee a fight with Pac and TR is wrong for making fighters leave their stable for a shot at his fighters. I think he should go it on his own and contract out for 1 fight at a time because his name is still relevant and a lot of fighters still want to fight him.

I am not sure either GBP or TR will sign him one fight at a time. Does he have his own promo company?

[sdcluser]

My fear is that he will try to put together a Pac vs Cotto rematch. I have zero interest in that, but we already know that Arum could care less what the "real" fans want and more for what he thinks will make him more money.

I see Pac vs JMM more likely than a rematch between Cotto and Pac.

[lutenco]

Put MOSLEY in the ring with MARQUEZ and perhaps everybody(also the idiots) will understand why JMM can't fight MANNY no more;at 147 MANNY will kill JMM!!!

[Fetta]

If Pac does get pass Mosley and Marquez and Berto decide to sign with GBP. Who is left for Pac with TR? Another Cotto fight (which i think Cotto will win if hes not forced to be drained and still with Steward). But really who is there? Not saying he cleaned out the division but many are with GBP. Paul Williams has a chance cause he just lost but that wont happen, Bradley, whom i think is not that good except with his head and has a date with Khan if he wins. Arum is scum and will only allow fighters from his team to fight him. Hell have to move up or fight a jr ww.

[Illdil]

If Pac does get pass Mosley and Marquez and Berto decide to sign with GBP. Who is left for Pac with TR? Another Cotto fight (which i think Cotto will win if hes not forced to be drained and still with Steward). But really who is there? Not saying he cleaned out the division but many are with GBP. Paul Williams has a chance cause he just lost but that wont happen, Bradley, whom i think is not that good except with his head and has a date with Khan if he wins. Arum is scum and will only allow fighters from his team to fight him. Hell have to move up or fight a jr ww.

i see your still living in the past with the 'cotto was weight drained' dream....cotto could have being 200lb all muscle and still would have got beat by manny ..cotto's footwork is not quick its methodical and when someone like manny is pressuring u and rushing u to do things like back up and react much quicker that he was not comfortable at doing and the guy underestimated manny's power in both of hes hands and the actual speed during the fight that was not prepared for....and bradley is not that good huh?? WTF r u following the dude is very talented and skilled and With is the best of the division and could easily fight a WW in the future

[DocG]

All that, "Pac allows himself to be hit" is pure garbage. When Clottey was able to land, Pac had his guard up and Clottey was penetrating the guard with uppercuts. Cotto was able to land on him. Margarito was able to land on him. And at what time was he blasting Clottey with counters? When does Pac ever ste up counters for that matter? The Clottey fight was mostly Clottey covering up, Pac hitting him on the gloves and arms, and Jim Lamply screaming "****."

what fighter in his right mind will allow himself to get hit without covering up???
who fighter does not get hit in a fight?
Pacman allows himself to get hit so as to have Clottey open up otherwise Clottey will just clam and close up the entire fight!!!

I saw Pac land a good counter right hook for the first KD in the Hatton fight. I saw him land an excellent counter right hook against Margarito. I simply said he was allowing himself to be hit against Clottey to set up counters and that he's not a fighter that sets up counters ala Mayweather. Pac's hands are just so fast that a lot of his good counters are based on him getting there before his opponent gets him.

Thanks for agreeing!!!....NICE COMPLIMENT!!!