Comments Thread For: Marquez Eyes Judah, But Won't Rule Out Manny Pacquiao

[Illdil]

The only think I have to think about when talking Pacquaio-Marquez is that JMM has probably taken 15 of 24 rounds from Pac. All that other you're talking stuff is a lot of maybes. And the sole reason behind it is that people assume that JMM is worthless as a welterweight based on a one fight in the division against probably the most talented fighter of his era. Please. I'm sorry if I'm not from the school of JMM being one the top 5 fighters of his era as a lightweight and becomes a total bum as a welterweight. That's not even logical. People have used the weight in the Mayweather fight as a excuse to **** on Money's performance. I'm not buying it. JMM can fight, period. And no one knows that better than Congressman Wapakman.

what the hell r u talking about didnt i say JMM is a HOF and and in hes FW days one of the best of that era and JMM at LW is just trying to get a 3rd fight with manny history has changed juan is still a great fighter and is the best at LW but thats it...when he fought jr at WW i was not even looking at anything i was looking he way how he was mobile in the ring and the guy slowed down alot due to the weight he had to carry ..im not taking anything away from JMM from the to fights he had with manny but thats in the past ...one has gone thier way and one is still crying about a close loss and a draw who's the one living in the past...JMM at this point is 37 years old FACT and doesnt have the speed/power/reflexes to match up with the TOP 5 guys at JWW

[SluggerFan]

When does Pac ever ste up counters for that matter?

I guess you never saw the Pacquaio vs. Hatton fight, or the second round when Pac's perfectly timed counter flattened him...

[Illdil]

When I say, "your kind", I'm referring to those who reside in Pacland, regardless of race. Please, let's not play the race card when discussing boxing. Its not needed with me.

reside in PACLAND WTF?? u reside in your house what r we 10.......

[hitking]

First off, every great warrior has one great last fight! Plus, after the Pacquiao fight, it was widely reported that Morales feel into a depression and was using *******. Against Rahim, he showed up slow, undertrained and just plain lethargic. So, don't go throwing around box-rec's website to prove your point. The bottom line is Morales last great fight was against Pacquiao in 2005, period. If you can't see that, you are blind. You can't claim a fighter washed up when he is winning most of his fights and only has two losses against a guy considered the best in the division. That's like saying Holyfield was washed up when he beat Bowe in their second fight because he lost to Michael Moorer afterward. A fighter loses afterward because guys like Holyfield and Morales have had many wars previously. Hello, that's what happens. Every great fighter has one great last performance. Holyfield's was against Moorer in their second fight and Morale's was against Pacquiao in 2005... Period! Are you going to say if JMM loses to Judah if they fight he was washed up when he beat Katsidis? Answer me that???

I'm not basing my stance on the Pacquaio-Morales trilogy on "one bad performance." I'm basing my opinion on Morales being in the middle of a 1-5 string where he was not only losing to the best in the division. But, he was also losing to much lesser fighters. No matter how much spin in put on it, Morales not only loss, but was humiliated by Zahir Raheem in his fight following his win over Pac. Rahemm was no better than a C level fighter his entire career. And following his rubbermatch with Pac, he lost to David Diaz. What am I supposed to think? OK, since Pac is supposed the be the greatest fighter ever, I'm gonna disregard Morales losing to piss-poor competition simply to support my illusion that Pac is superhuman? That's not logical homie.

As for JMM, the Katsidis fight was entertaining. But, I'm not to act like I don' remember Katsidis being KO'd by Casamayor and beaten soundly by Juan Diaz, two fighters who JMM KO'd. It was an entertaining fight. But, it was far from an Earth moving win. And just because Judah beat a fringe contender for a vacant paper trinket am I supposed to forget that he's looked like crap for years now? No. If JMM loses to Judah, my opinion will be that his days as an elite fighter are over/

[hitking]

what the hell r u talking about didnt i say JMM is a HOF and and in hes FW days one of the best of that era and JMM at LW is just trying to get a 3rd fight with manny history has changed juan is still a great fighter and is the best at LW but thats it...when he fought jr at WW i was not even looking at anything i was looking he way how he was mobile in the ring and the guy slowed down alot due to the weight he had to carry ..im not taking anything away from JMM from the to fights he had with manny but thats in the past ...one has gone thier way and one is still crying about a close loss and a draw who's the one living in the past...JMM at this point is 37 years old FACT and doesnt have the speed/power/reflexes to match up with the TOP 5 guys at JWW

Everything you stated is an opinion. We don't know any of it as fact until they fight the fights. 90% of fellow fighters think Mayweather wipes his ass with Pac. Does that mean I don't have to see him do it to believe it? Of course not.

[hitking]

I guess you never saw the Pacquaio vs. Hatton fight, or the second round when Pac's perfectly timed counter flattened him...

I saw Pac land a good counter right hook for the first KD in the Hatton fight. I saw him land an excellent counter right hook against Margarito. I simply said he was allowing himself to be hit against Clottey to set up counters and that he's not a fighter that sets up counters ala Mayweather. Pac's hands are just so fast that a lot of his good counters are based on him getting there before his opponent gets him.

[Lorily]

i would love for marquez to fight judah.Hell a fight between marquez and
maidana would be great also.

I agree. Either or both of those fights would be great fights. I say skip the Guerrero fight though, there's nothing in it for JMM except more wear and tear.

Put yourself in Marquez shoes. Would you sign with GBP or TR? Who will outbid and why?

Neither IMO. GBP can't guarantee a fight with Pac and TR is wrong for making fighters leave their stable for a shot at his fighters. I think he should go it on his own and contract out for 1 fight at a time because his name is still relevant and a lot of fighters still want to fight him.

Marquez is a ***** imo.. he goes after that 4th title vs an old shot Judah.. when Khan was offered he wanted nothing to do with it..

That's not true. Juan felt that Khan was trying to use him as a stepping stone when Team Khan offered him a pittance of money compared to what Juan is worth. When Juan didn't go for it , Team Khan used the usual "He priced himself out" line they always use - TWICE. JMM made millions against FMJ and Khan only wanted to give Juan a ridiculous amount (something like $500k I believe) of money in order to keep his own guaranteed million +. Khan has done NOTHING in comparison to JMM so far in this fight game, yet he acted like he was doing Juan a favor by offering him a fight for peanuts compared to what he would have made for himself. I'm sure it was an insult to JMM, and I think that was a legitimate reason for him not taking that fight in this situation. Personally, I'd love to see that fight.

[Illdil]

I'm not basing my stance on the Pacquaio-Morales trilogy on "one bad performance." I'm basing my opinion on Morales being in the middle of a 1-5 string where he was not only losing to the best in the division. But, he was also losing to much lesser fighters. No matter how much spin in put on it, Morales not only loss, but was humiliated by Zahir Raheem in his fight following his win over Pac. Rahemm was no better than a C level fighter his entire career. And following his rubbermatch with Pac, he lost to David Diaz. What am I supposed to think? OK, since Pac is supposed the be the greatest fighter ever, I'm gonna disregard Morales losing to piss-poor competition simply to support my illusion that Pac is superhuman? That's not logical homie.

As for JMM, the Katsidis fight was entertaining. But, I'm not to act like I don' remember Katsidis being KO'd by Casamayor and beaten soundly by Juan Diaz, two fighters who JMM KO'd. It was an entertaining fight. But, it was far from an Earth moving win. And just because Judah beat a fringe contender for a vacant paper trinket am I supposed to forget that he's looked like crap for years now? No. If JMM loses to Judah, my opinion will be that his days as an elite fighter are over/

That right there is all i need to know why u r still trying to find out who the Pacquiao character is ..... and SUPERHUMAN??!!! WTF is going on in this website

[lopez36]

i don't blame jmm for wanting another fight with pac,but i think he'll lose because he's just lightweight,he doesn't carry the weight well,i even think 140 is too much for him,he should just forget about pac because we all know pac likes to demand weight on his opponents but he will never concede a pound to anyone,so jmm should just forget about pac and fight judah and guerrero

[Illdil]

Everything you stated is an opinion. We don't know any of it as fact until they fight the fights. 90% of fellow fighters think Mayweather wipes his ass with Pac. Does that mean I don't have to see him do it to believe it? Of course not.

Yeah the guy has to get into thee ring before he 'Wipes PAC with hes ass' theme... when people dont even know whether the guy still exist