Comments Thread For: Photos/Weights: Giovani Segura 108, Ivan Calderon 107

[MEXGBP]

so u expect one of the smallest guys in boxing, and on top of that with no punching power to stand and trade?? i hate it too, but u can't expect those type of things from guys like that.....

nothing great? maybe... but how is segura p4p now? he beat the reigning champ of 10 years thats why

how can you be a reigning champ if you never fight the best, what happen to the fight with viloria, sosa, solis, nino

[MEXGBP]

Hey Mexicans I'm not taking anything from Segura . He have a big heart and punch hard. He beat Calderon fair but everybody knows that Calderon is past of his prime . Is no way that Segura would beat the Calderon of 5 years ago .

same thing can be said about rafa vs. juanma but rican give juanma full credit for the fight

[ELHURACAN58]

Rafa had a punch at 122. He hasn't shown a punch at 126. He wobbled Juanma but Juanma was wobbled by Mtagwa so we can't say that was so much the punch as maybe Juanma's chin. Rafa is about the same age as Calderon. Rafa had just been through 3 wars with Vasquez and doesn't move like he used to or have the same hand speed.

Calderon had speed in the Segura fight but Segura did what no one else had done and that was go at the body religiously and took away Calderon's best strength. Brilliant game plan by Segura.

Rafa has had three fights at 126 and has a 2-1(2ko) record. Juanma was wobbled at 122 by MTgawa which is different.

Calderon hasnt showed speed since the second Cazares fight. He managed to get past Mayol cause Mayol couldnt get a clean punch the whole fight, and the slow Iribe managed to drop him.

Also being cut in the head for three straight fights doesnt do you wonders.

[boricua2311]

That is the whole point. Calderon can't win. Just like Rafa couldn't beat Juanma. Juanma was bigger, younger and faster. Rafa was fighting just his second fight at 126 and was 35 and didn't have the same reflexes anymore.

The fact that Rafa hurt Juanma in the 4th round and almost dropped him and the fact that Calderon was able to land so many shots early on Segura is a testament to both fighters. Both were great champs who are passed their primes.

This is called passing the torch. 9 times out of 10 in these fights the old guy gets whooped. Oscar vs Chavez. Rafa vs Juanma and now Calderon and Segura. It is pretty similar. Juanma was 27 and Rafa 35. Segura is 28 and Calderon is 36.

Every once in a while the old guy beats the odds and pulls it off. (Hopkins vs Pavlik comes to mind) Usually the younger guy wins. Next month you have Jorge Arce who's best weight was 112 and 115 fighting Vazquez Jr at 122. Arce isn't a really junior featherweight and his best days are behind him. Too many wars. Vazquez will crush him. Hell look at Manny vs Mosley. Who wins that fight 5 years ago? Even the Manny of today vs the Mosley of 5-6 years ago would be a close fight.

Realistic Mexican fans know Arce probably loses to Vazquez Jr. just like realistic Rican fans know Calderon will probably lose to Segura...nothing wrong with rooting for your guy but I think fans should be real ab out analyzing the fights.

I'm with you Killakali ! You got the point. Mexican and Puertoricans we are very patriots. We always rooting for our guys even when we really knows that our don't have realistic opportunities to win. One big punch can change the fight but that's exactly what Calderon doesn't have.That's why I know is going to be tough for him. Cause at 36 his legs and reflex are not the same. But War Calderon!

[ELHURACAN58]

how can you be a reigning champ if you never fight the best, what happen to the fight with viloria, sosa, solis, nino

If you followed Calderon's career, twice he was about to unify with Viloria, and twice Viloria lost just before the unification fight (Romero, Tamara).

Edit:Actually, the second one would have been an unification fight. The first one would have been a jump in the division. Calderon ended up fighting Cazares who right now looks like a better fighter than Viloria.

[PEBBLES!]

Where is the bloody weigh-in video?

[killakali]

I'm with you Killakali ! You got the point. Mexican and Puertoricans we are very patriots. We always rooting for our guys even when we really knows that our don't have realistic opportunities to win. One big punch can change the fight but that's exactly what Calderon doesn't have.That's why I know is going to be tough for him. Cause at 36 his legs and reflex are not the same. But War Calderon!

Exactly bro. I'm mexican so I root for my and u should root for urs. I just don't think ur guy will win just like I don't see Arce beating Vazquez next month. Hell Arce ****** at 118. He will be worse at 122. The difference is me and u are sensible. A lotta guys aren't.

[killakali]

Rafa has had three fights at 126 and has a 2-1(2ko) record. Juanma was wobbled at 122 by MTgawa which is different.

Calderon hasnt showed speed since the second Cazares fight. He managed to get past Mayol cause Mayol couldnt get a clean punch the whole fight, and the slow Iribe managed to drop him.

Also being cut in the head for three straight fights doesnt do you wonders.

Stop making excuses. Its not a good look. I can make excuses and better ones. First Juanma is physically bigger than Rafa. Rafa started his career at 118 and Juanma at 122. 2nd is Juanma at 27 is in his prime. 3rd Rafa had a lot of his career taken from him in his 1st 3 fights with Vasquez. Look how Rafa looked in his fight porior to the 4th one with Izzy. I rest my case. Rafa is 2-1 at 126 but one win was vs a shot Vasquez and the other win was versus a bum.

[FromAfrica]

really?! who's the ref?

Samuel Viruet

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...30&cat=referee


http://www.f1ghtnews.com/Boxing/cald...fficials-79930

****replace 1 with an i

[ricky1978]

Props to both fighters, may the best an win....