Do europeans have a different boxing footwork???

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  • yuppie
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    #11
    ps, lol at "completely disagreeing" with a world class boxing trainer

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    • Dynamite Kid
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      #12
      Originally posted by yuppie
      There isnt that much of a difference in the style of training nowadays,like you couldnt go American gyms teach this and Euro gyms teach this..Maybe this kind of general statement would of held more truth a decade or two ago but now..it really doesnt. Especially with the amount of "Euro" fighters that dont fight tall (please dont make statements like this when by Euro you mean the Kltisch bros) and the amount of feather fisted American fighters.

      There is a slight change in the way some Euro fighters are fighting, but that is only because their trying to emulate past great American fighters who utilized that type of stance. Look at Haye, he thinks he's Roy Jones, De Gale thinks he's Mayweather, but essentially, what is taught in British gyms, is the same old same old, just that some Euro fighters, like Pirog, are trying emulate American fighters who are taught to fight this way.

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      • yuppie
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        #13
        Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
        There is a slight change in the way some Euro fighters are fighting, but that is only because their trying to emulate past great American fighters who utilized that type of stance. Look at Haye, he thinks he's Roy Jones, De Gale thinks he's Mayweather, but essentially, what is taught in British gyms, is the same old same old, just that some Euro fighters, like Pirog, are trying emulate American fighters who are taught to fight this way.
        Haye thinks hes Jones? Why, because he fights with his hands down..De Gale thinks hes Mayweather because...i honestly see no similarity between these two.
        You've made broad statements on such small pieces on information, did Naseem Hamed fight like a "British" fighter?...Does Malignaggi/bradely/alexander look like fighters who punch from a wider American stance that generates power?
        See i can name fighters that contradict your theory about American/Euro gyms and if America have superior gyms then how is it that there are so few current american champions?

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        • Weebler I
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          #14
          Originally posted by yuppie
          There is a reason why they call him SUGAR Matthew T-Bone Hatton and thats because of his silky european footwork skills.

          Americans = U Mad!
          lol, to be fair, MattHatt's movement made Canelo look one-dimensional

          on topic, I'm not sure you can categorise an entire continent's boxing movement like that, every fighter is an individual with his own skillset

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          • Dynamite Kid
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            #15
            Originally posted by yuppie
            Haye thinks hes Jones? Why, because he fights with his hands down..De Gale thinks hes Mayweather because...i honestly see no similarity between these two.
            You've made broad statements on such small pieces on information, did Naseem Hamed fight like a "British" fighter?...Does Malignaggi/bradely/alexander look like fighters who punch from a wider American stance that generates power?
            See i can name fighters that contradict your theory about American/Euro gyms and if America have superior gyms then how is it that there are so few current american champions?

            Roy Jones himself has said it.

            Listen to Jim McDonnell, look at him doing his pitiful impression of the shoulder roll.

            Not a stereo typical British fighter no, but he had massive holes his defense, that is one of the reasons a lot of British fighters fail in the international stage imo, they have generally not been technically sound enough to compete, its not that they are lesser athletes, its the way they're coached, its this heart on the sleeve mentality, head over heart that makes defense an after thought regarding most British fighters. You can watch Skysports telecast for the whole year and cherry pick the handful of true defensive fighters, Ian Napa and the like.

            Its not about us vs them, that's the problem here, you have an agenda, I dont, I just call it as I see it, and im a Brit, but I wont allow my opinion to be censored cause other people cant handle it, as it does not fit their agenda, ima say what I feel.

            I cant answer the reason why American fighters are not as successful, as its just conjecture anyway, and if you have an agenda, like you seemingly do, you will play it off anyway, so I wont go into that, what I will say, is that Mayweather, Manny is the last generation of elite fighters from last 15/20 years so, the guys like Mosley, Jones, Tito, Winky, Oscar, Tyson, Holy, Barrera, Morales etc, are yesterdays generation, and there is barely anyone on the horizon, with the potential, capable of getting to their level, that, and the coincidence of Euro fighters, says it all for me, the standard is just not as good.

            Euro fighters might improved, but its deffo coincided with a drop off in talent. You think Martinez would of lived with Jones, Toney, or even Nunn?

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            • Mikhnienko
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              #16
              I'v heard Stewart say a very similar thing. I think it was in this mini documentary with Klitschko's camp prior to his Thompson fight. Emmanual said that when he started training Vova that he started with his footwork like he does with all his fighters but quickly realized that there was no need to work on Volodymyr's footwork or balance.

              He said that Klitschko explained how it was really focused on in what they were taught growing up and Volodymyr had it drilled into him from the age of 13/14. Stewart said he has had to spend a great deal of time with most Pro fighters he has trained to teach them proper footwork and balance.

              Watch guys like Tszyu, Arbachakov, and Nazarov for other very good examples. Vitali's is very unorthodox but that's due to his Kickboxing which was his 1st priority until he was about 24/25 years old.

              Lennox Lewis's footwork and balance on the other hand was something that Stewart helped improve greatly.

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              • mathed
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                #17
                Originally posted by mushahadeen
                yes that s y when sergio fights polish sausage makers and goat herders from kazakhstan it's a legit fight.
                You must really like Sergio man, you are sporting his pic in your sig and every post is about him....I like to see you supporting such a great boxer.

                So when did Williams and Pavlik and Dzinziruk tend sheep?

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                • lefthook2daliva
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  And Europeans aren't dominating boxing. No one region is dominating boxing.
                  Yes. Expressed with precision. That Europeans are as competitive as they currently are is unusual. The norm is that North America dominates boxing (along with most other fields of human endeavor). Nothing more than a statistical anomaly.

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                  • Mikhnienko
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by lefthook2daliva
                    Yes. Expressed with precision. That Europeans are as competitive as they currently are is unusual. The norm is that North America dominates boxing (along with most other fields of human endeavor). Nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
                    Ya Americans are great at calling themselves "World" Champions while competing against only themselves.

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                    • lefthook2daliva
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Mikhnienko
                      Ya Americans are great at calling themselves "World" Champions while competing against only themselves.
                      That's the best you can do? I expected better. You're Russian aren't you?

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