Comments Thread For: Ivan Calderon: Puerto Rico's 'Iron Boy' is Not Done Yet

[aztecadq]

We wouldn't like Calderon if he wasn't PR? Ok so the same rule applies to you as whipes, if Margo, Segura DLFishnets weren't mexicants you wouldn't like them eithe.. It's kind of ****** when you actually think about it. Calderon is a mini man, a half pint that beat every mofo put in front of him. So hate all you want, at the end of the day no one will erase what he has done. and the line of mexi****s he beat if falong. Oh yeah like Seguras resume is sooo great Puhlease.

You got it all wrong my friend. I am Mexican and I will be honest I do cheer and like many Mexican boxers/ fighters. ( It's a pride thing, same way Puerto Ricans cheer for their Puerto Rican boxers/ fighters- nothing wrong with that)
However, I like these boxers because of how exciting they are and what they do in the sport. Margarito has always been an exciting fighter who puts it all in the ring . Segura has always been an exciting fighter with his relentlessness and heart. However, I don't like Chavez Jr, I think he's a hype and lazy. I do like Sergio Martinez, I think he is the best in his division and would be the first one to say he would knock Margarito, Cotto and whomever out right now- no one wants to fight him. Miguel Cotto is a very exciting fighter and I like his style of boxing. I respect Calderon for doing what he did and that's hold on to his title for so long and have an incredible unbeaten streak. However, most boxing fans will tell you he's not an exciting fighter. Great boxer, great skill, however not exciting ( just like Winky Wright was ) So yeah he did beat many Mexicans along the way but every dog has his day and he couldn't beat that one Mexican- Segura.

[Hallaqsillaq]

Again what I mentioned before. A fighter with physical dis-advantages uses what he has to conquer larger foes. But it is apparent that if you don't slug you are simply not a fighter. Not all slug fest are fun if they have not technic involved

Unfortunately, the simpletons to whom you direct this remark can't see that.

[JmH Reborn]

PRicans wouldn't even like Calderon at all if he wasn't Rican. The 2000s Rican style is more brawling and less boxing. Use Rocky Martinez, Juanma Lopez and Miguel Cotto as examples. Hell Cotto even stood and traded on more than a few occassions with Mayorga who is a lot bigger than him. Even younger guys like Jonathan Gonzalez like to get in and brawl.

Calderon developed his style because he can't crack an egg and it is the only thing that works for him. I haven't ever seen Ricans on here say they love the way Cory Spinks fights. Even some of my friends said Winky was so boring even though his "style" dominated and visibly frustrated Trinidad. If you can appreciate Calderon's "running style" you should be able to appreciate Winky's "peekaboo" defense.

It was good to see my last comments shut up your idiotic comments. Any time you say any fighter should be trying to avenge a lopside loss all I have to say is Winky vs Tito. Tito never wanted that rematch and we can see why. Style all wrong for Tito. And yes Ricans have great wins over Mexicans but as I pointed out to you Mexicans have some great wins (if not better) over Ricans too.

Well, I don't know about other Ricans, but even if Calderon wasn't Rican, I'd love him because boxing is really what its about. I love Winky, Hopkins, Mayweather, Sweet Pea and countless others who box first, fight second. I enjoy a good scrap in the middle of the ring like anyone else, but above all else, I just love seeing sweet display of skills. I mean its pretty remarkable the talent of Calderon and even Mayweather. Two guys with limited power, but just so much finesse, style and skills to just dominate someone.

I guess I'm also biased because I don't have much power in my fists and they are naturally small, so when I box, I can't just sit there and trade because it won't work well. So I have to evade, counter and just generally frustrate. I appreciate their craft and for that I'm so glad that Cotto is going back to his roots. It'll prolong his career and help him dominate again.

[killakali]

You make some valid points but that goes for the pro Mexican pro Afro American fans ect. As far as Tito goes he has always wanted the rematch with Hopkins who was a horrible style match up for Tito so i think you are a little off on that example.

Hopkins was a bad style clash and Tito was beaten bad but he can say his mind wasn't 100% focused cuz of 9/11. With the Winky fight Tito had no excuse. None. Winky was just the worst possible guy he could fight and ruined the Mosley-Trinidad fight we all wanted to see.

I think it was a great example and it was in comparision to what Border Patrol said about Juan Manuel Marquez not wanting a rematch with Floyd. Floyd whooped Marquez's you know what and would beat him 11 times out of 10. Same as a prime Winky and prime Tito plus who the hell would want to see (let alone pay) for a Mayweather-Marquez rematch? Just like who wants to see a Tito-Winky rematch? No one. Youget my point.

[killakali]

Well, I don't know about other Ricans, but even if Calderon wasn't Rican, I'd love him because boxing is really what its about. I love Winky, Hopkins, Mayweather, Sweet Pea and countless others who box first, fight second. I enjoy a good scrap in the middle of the ring like anyone else, but above all else, I just love seeing sweet display of skills. I mean its pretty remarkable the talent of Calderon and even Mayweather. Two guys with limited power, but just so much finesse, style and skills to just dominate someone.

I guess I'm also biased because I don't have much power in my fists and they are naturally small, so when I box, I can't just sit there and trade because it won't work well. So I have to evade, counter and just generally frustrate. I appreciate their craft and for that I'm so glad that Cotto is going back to his roots. It'll prolong his career and help him dominate again.

well my friend you are a fighter so you looking through a different set of eyes than a fan. And being that you are Rican you would agree that Calderon doesn't have the tradition Rican style of boxing.

[killakali]

Unfortunately, the simpletons to whom you direct this remark can't see that.

so what you and Toby Lee are saying is that brawling isn't your forte and you like the tactical yet running style of Calderon. To each his own. By saying that you are saying you don't like Rocky Martinez' brawling style, or Juanma Lopez when he decides to just stand and trade and urge on his competitor to make it more of a brawl and you definitely don't like Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. who has horrible technical skills but is very strong with great power and comes to brawl in every fight.

[ny123]

Hopkins was a bad style clash and Tito was beaten bad but he can say his mind wasn't 100% focused cuz of 9/11. With the Winky fight Tito had no excuse. None. Winky was just the worst possible guy he could fight and ruined the Mosley-Trinidad fight we all wanted to see.

I think it was a great example and it was in comparision to what Border Patrol said about Juan Manuel Marquez not wanting a rematch with Floyd. Floyd whooped Marquez's you know what and would beat him 11 times out of 10. Same as a prime Winky and prime Tito plus who the hell would want to see (let alone pay) for a Mayweather-Marquez rematch? Just like who wants to see a Tito-Winky rematch? No one. Youget my point.

Hopkins was a worse loss and a more difficult opponent so your reasoning for Tito not wanting a rematch with Wright isnt really valid imo.

[Hallaqsillaq]

so what you and Toby Lee are saying is that brawling isn't your forte and you like the tactical yet running style of Calderon. To each his own. By saying that you are saying you don't like Rocky Martinez' brawling style, or Juanma Lopez when he decides to just stand and trade and urge on his competitor to make it more of a brawl and you definitely don't like Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. who has horrible technical skills but is very strong with great power and comes to brawl in every fight.

Not at all. Brawling can be inevitable inside the ring.

[killakali]

Hopkins was a worse loss and a more difficult opponent so your reasoning for Tito not wanting a rematch with Wright isnt really valid imo.

Tito wasn't 100% mentally into the Hopkins fight so he felt if he came in 100% focused he may have won. He won a few rounds versus Hopkins. Winky shut him out and he never looked for a rematch. Tito was 100% focused and fighting at his best weight of 154 lbs and had no answers for Winky.

At least for Hopkins he could say that he was distracted

[JmH Reborn]

well my friend you are a fighter so you looking through a different set of eyes than a fan. And being that you are Rican you would agree that Calderon doesn't have the tradition Rican style of boxing.

I would say that Calderon isn't TOO far removed from traditional Rican boxing. He deviates a little because his lack of power, so his style is more finesse and movement, but I think by large, Rican style is a more of a boxing/brawler combo. There are certainly a large component of boxing mixed in with every Puerto Rican I believe. I do not believe that a majority of Puerto Ricans fit into the Tito paradigm.