Canelo vs Rhodes June 18 in Mexico.....Done Deal

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  • ManOfVictory
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    #101
    Originally posted by Clegg
    I think Alvarez deserves to be the favourite for this one. Rhodes is more skilled but I think he can be caught and his chin hasn't always looked solid (not that I consider it glass, it's more like he actually has an inconsistent punch resistance, if that's possible). But Rhodes does have the style to give him problems and the power to catch him with the kind of shot that can win the fight.

    As for those questioning Rhodes' credentials, some things to remember:

    1. Jamie Moore was the top ranked contender at 154 in the WBC rankings a couple of years ago. He was rated number 2 and the number 1 position was vacant. This was when Martinez held the belt. Martinez considered having a voluntary defence against Moore, but they couldn't agree on money and so Moore's people appealed to the WBC for the mandatory position. The WBC ordered that Rhodes fought Moore in what was to be a final eliminator, which Rhodes won. The WBC didn't give him mandatory status, instead preferring to give the position to JCC Jr for no reason at all.

    2. People can say that the titles mean nothing and the orgs are corrupt, and so what does it matter who wins eliminators or where people are ranked. I think it still matters because some boxers can't get fights with the top names or even other contenders, and so they have to go through the route of fighting their way up the rankings of an organisation. Carl Froch was in the exact same position a few years ago, unable to get big fights, and considered below world class by everyone. He now has had fights with Pascal (current champ), Taylor (former champ), Dirrell (Olympic medalist), Kessler (former champ), Abraham (former champ) and soon to face Glen Johnson (former champ) as well as having earned a shot at Calzaghe who didn't face him. The ONLY reason he was able to get the ball rolling in the first place is because he worked his way up the WBC rankings by facing who they told him to face. If that possibility didn't exist then everyone would still dismiss him as subpar, too slow, no defence, no skill etc.

    The orgs are a bad thing for the sport overall, but I do think it's good if those who win eliminators and work their way up the rankings get their shot, because sometimes that's their only way of proving how good they are.

    3. For people critical of Rhodes' resume, I'd say that it's better than Canelo's. Rhodes' best win is Jamie Moore, I'd say Canelo's best win is probably Baldomir, who is about the same level as Piccorillo, both being past-prime former 147 champs who didn't hold the belt for long and didn't have much power. Moore easily beat Piccirillo and also holds wins over Macklin (currently top 10 at MW) and Lujan (not a great fighter but had a couple of title shots).

    I think it's ****** for the poster above to criticise Rhodes for losing a competitive decision to Otis Grant. Rhodes was the same age then as Canelo is now, and the fight was at 160. I don't see Canelo being able to beat that version of Otis Grant either, but what do I know? I actually watched him fight, you geniuses and your boxrec must know better

    Rhodes has earned his shot, is a top contender and is more skillful and hits much harder than anyone Alvarez has faced. He's not a guy being made to move up one or even two divisions and while I don't see him as elite or anything like that, he'll be a big test for Alvarez.
    Good post.

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    • pistol whip
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      #102
      Originally posted by MARKBNLV
      Troll on kid people around here know me and whats up,i need not prove sht to a fcking troll.
      yes Im a troll because i call you on your bullshhiitt LOL!

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      • pistol whip
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        #103
        Originally posted by MARKBNLV
        Ask the Iceman John Scully about that fat fck Rafael and get back to me.
        An athlete has a bad encounter with a member of the media? No way never ever happened in professional sports ever!!!

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        • The_Demon
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          #104
          Originally posted by pistol whip
          Thats right only undefeated fighters should be rated in the top ten. My bad I thought it was based on their overall level of talent but I guess not.
          Haha thats the way it seems too be

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          • Walt Liquor
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            #105
            Originally posted by MARKBNLV
            All the men you listed bro have taken heat for the opponents they are fighting,juanma not so much anymore he has stepped it up,and when Canelo fights a Kirkland Angulo Cotto Dizzy etc i will give him his just props but until then a fight against an overhyped rhodes does not impress me,the guy is 34 and has lost everytime he has stepped up this match will be no different.

            point is that NO ONE does what you're expecting of canelo.

            Angulo is completely inactive and Kirkland already has fights and dates scheduled. Dizzy is coming off an ass whipping and he's not ready for pwill.

            Why the *** would you put him in with someone with way more experience when he's green and raking in the dough? If he takes a yr or so b4 he fights the top guys, then so be it.

            I'm sure whoever your favorite fighters are weren't fighting card carrying harass elite fighters at age 20. Unless you have 0 current fighters you like, and only a handful since the 80s.

            I agree that canelo is slow and catches punches with his face but let's be realistic here. And Rhodes is better than anyone else canelo has fought even if he lost to Gary Lockett. Bottom line is that his comp is being stepped up.

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            • DonairesRevenge
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              #106
              ****e Boy can hurt Canelo but his chin is not the best either. Ryans never lost a fight at 154 though so i'm not gonna predict a complete blow out. Competitive through 6 with Canelo getting a stoppage around the 9th.

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              • King Koopa
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                #107
                *Stands and applauds*

                Thank you boxing gods.

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                • Trigg
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                  #108
                  I've **** on Canelo quite a bit recently, but props to him for taking this fight.

                  Whether or not the WBC forced Canelo/GBP to take the fight it's a big step up, especially from Hatton.

                  Rhodes is a big 154 lb'er and don't be surprised if he takes this.

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                  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by Walt Liquor
                    point is that NO ONE does what you're expecting of canelo.

                    Angulo is completely inactive and Kirkland already has fights and dates scheduled. Dizzy is coming off an ass whipping and he's not ready for pwill.

                    Why the *** would you put him in with someone with way more experience when he's green and raking in the dough? If he takes a yr or so b4 he fights the top guys, then so be it.

                    I'm sure whoever your favorite fighters are weren't fighting card carrying harass elite fighters at age 20. Unless you have 0 current fighters you like, and only a handful since the 80s.

                    I agree that canelo is slow and catches punches with his face but let's be realistic here. And Rhodes is better than anyone else canelo has fought even if he lost to Gary Lockett. Bottom line is that his comp is being stepped up.
                    Great post but I disagree with the bolded. I don't know why people call Canelo slow, he's just not blazing fast but he's far from slow.

                    Margarito is slow, Baldomir is slow, Canelo has decent speed, very good timing (probably his best attribute) very good power, a good chin and willingness to brawl.

                    This Rhodes fight is a major step up and if Canelo wins, they will say Rhodes is a bum. Canelo can only fight Pacquaio for people to be satisfied at this point.

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                    • freedom213
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by *Khan
                      Lol I'll translate what Sulaiman said.



                      The president of the WBC, Jose Sulaiman, assured Televisa Deportes that, "we have elected Ryan Rhodes because he is the highest ranking contender available, there was only one [more fighter] above him, which was Angulo whom we believe is not available."


                      **Lol I doubt they even checked to see if Angulo was available.
                      What the hell is going in with Angulo? This guy has literally dissappeared.

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