Comments Thread For: Top Rank: Our Contract With Nonito Donaire is Valid

[onechance87]

i dont think u guys get it. if the contract says donaire is entitled to 3 fights a year, it is most certainly obvious he didnt get that. if he didnt get that, arum is in breach. the contract is broken, doesnt really exist anymore, and if thats the case, theres very little arum can do about this.

the thing is, im certain donaire looked for ways to get outta his contract, and chances are his legal team found one. he didnt come up with this idea by himself, trust me. this isnt a manny pacquiao move. this is well thought out. like i said, if the statements by both parties prove to be true, then donaire is indeed justified.

so even if donaire was injured like bob claimes,It dont matter?

[Kagami Taiga]

so even if donaire was injured like bob claimes,It dont matter?

not if it explicitly states that donaire is guaranteed 3 fights each year in the contract. ok, the first year is excusable. but what about the other years?? he definitely didnt get in the 2 yrs following the darchinyan fight. i think he only fought 3 times in a 2 year period. if that is the case and the contract says this, then arum didnt perform.

[Beater_of_ass]

not if it explicitly states that donaire is guaranteed 3 fights each year in the contract. ok, the first year is excusable. but what about the other years?? he definitely didnt get in the 2 yrs following the darchinyan fight. i think he only fought 3 times in a 2 year period. if that is the case and the contract says this, then arum didnt perform.

Nonito has to accept fights as well, if Arum brought Nonito 3 fights a year and he turned 2 of them down its now Bobs fault. Still who cares, he is leaving the bench of the majors with a starting position about to open up, to be a starter for a AAA team but make more money. You build your name off of beating names and Golden Boy has no names to build on, there is a reason they kept trying to get fights with Top Rank, to build up their fighters, which is why Bob stopped doing business with them. Why should he let Canelo face Cotto, even in losing the name gets A LOT bigger for Canelo.

[onechance87]

Nonito has to accept fights as well, if Arum brought Nonito 3 fights a year and he turned 2 of them down its now Bobs fault. Still who cares, he is leaving the bench of the majors with a starting position about to open up, to be a starter for a AAA team but make more money. You build your name off of beating names and Golden Boy has no names to build on, there is a reason they kept trying to get fights with Top Rank, to build up their fighters. Its too bad that they always chose Manny and schooled them each time, BWAHAHAHA.

u work for top rank or what?

[Beater_of_ass]

u work for top rank or what?

No, I'm just looking at things in the proper perspective. There are only two promoters in boxing that have been around since the 1950's, and their stable of fighters include:

Ali, Foreman, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Tyson, De La Hoya, Pacquaio, Mayweather etc.

Those companies are Top Rank (Bob Arum) and Don King. If it wasn't for Top Rank DLH would have never even had the chance to be a promoter and now apparently he thinks he can promote people better? In fact, lets just forget the people involved in the company just look at what they have been able to do in the past 10 years in comparison to each other. Who has Golden Boy promoted to become even a semi-star? I'm not talking about signing guys up who were already stars like... damn, they haven't even "stolen" any stars either really. When they started the company you had DLH, Mosley and Hopkins and now Hopkins and Mosley got the f.uck out because they see where it is going.

People hate on Bob Arum... why I'm not sure, the guy DOES give us fights we want to see but he's stated MULTIPLE times, that his job is make these guys money not just put good fights on because some nerds on the internet want to see them. If it was up to most people Juanma/Gamboa would have fought like a year or two ago, but why? Bob can make them both 1-2 million and get them huge exposure, instead we have Golden Boy and Haymon putting fights in Detroit (Bradley/Alexander) when the guys are from Palm Springs (a desert in cali) and St. Louis, they simply took the 600k they got offered and sold 600 tickets. I mean FFS, if they simply charged $100 for each ticket in St. Loius where probably 10,000 seats would have filled up for a 1 million dollar gate. I'm not even a promoter and I could do a better job than anyone other than Top Rank and Don by simply putting a fight in a guys home town.

[Kagami Taiga]

Nonito has to accept fights as well, if Arum brought Nonito 3 fights a year and he turned 2 of them down its now Bobs fault. Still who cares, he is leaving the bench of the majors with a starting position about to open up, to be a starter for a AAA team but make more money. You build your name off of beating names and Golden Boy has no names to build on, there is a reason they kept trying to get fights with Top Rank, to build up their fighters, which is why Bob stopped doing business with them. Why should he let Canelo face Cotto, even in losing the name gets A LOT bigger for Canelo.

well if he didnt like waht he was being offered, its the promoters job to find better, his wife clearly said they didnt like what they were being offered. the point is, this is what arum does. he offers fights on what he thinks is best. donaire is not pac, hes not content on toiling i take it so he moved on. and gbp is very different from top rank and ill say this is one of their major upsides, if they dont have a fighter lined up for their guys to fight within their stable, they are not hesitant to go out and fight the guy. arum doesnt do that nearly as much. and thats the truth. donaire is fine over at gbp...there are plenty of fights at bantam that gbp are better equipped to explore for him.

[simonsez02]

i dont think u guys get it. if the contract says donaire is entitled to 3 fights a year, it is most certainly obvious he didnt get that. if he didnt get that, arum is in breach. the contract is broken, doesnt really exist anymore, and if thats the case, theres very little arum can do about this.

the thing is, im certain donaire looked for ways to get outta his contract, and chances are his legal team found one. he didnt come up with this idea by himself, trust me. this isnt a manny pacquiao move. this is well thought out. like i said, if the statements by both parties prove to be true, then donaire is indeed justified.

Didn't Arum mentioned that donaire got injured that's why he wasn't able to make 3 fights a year? I'm pretty sure Injuries or something like that is included in the contract as well.

As much as I like Nonito but I think he's fked up. He's contract with TR is due to expire in June and he already signed a contract with GBP. I'm pretty sure GBP promised him more $$$ but his future is with top rank

[simonsez02]

Nonito, just as all fighters I'm sure do, had a clause that said if he was injured and couldn't fight, then the time he was injured wouldn't take away from the 3 fights a year. Nonito was hurt and couldn't fight, then Top Rank had the option of extending his contract for a year which they did. None of this really matters however, Nonito simply made a huge mistake if he did decide to go to Golden Boy for more money. He simply won't get more exposure, he lost all chances of getting fights with Juanma and Gamboa and personally, coming after the fact which he's stated he's willing/can go up to 130 I almost look at this as if he is ducking them to be honest.

I agree wit you except on the ducking part.

[Kagami Taiga]

Didn't Arum mentioned that donaire got injured that's why he wasn't able to make 3 fights a year? I'm pretty sure Injuries or something like that is included in the contract as well.

As much as I like Nonito but I think he's fked up. He's contract with TR is due to expire in June and he already signed a contract with GBP. I'm pretty sure GBP promised him more $$$ but his future is with top rank

he got injured at tbe beginning of the contract. that doesnt explain that why, following the time he recovered from his injury, he did not get the three fights he was promised per year.

[Beater_of_ass]

well if he didnt like waht he was being offered, its the promoters job to find better, his wife clearly said they didnt like what they were being offered. the point is, this is what arum does. he offers fights on what he thinks is best. donaire is not pac, hes not content on toiling i take it so he moved on. and gbp is very different from top rank and ill say this is one of their major upsides, if they dont have a fighter lined up for their guys to fight within their stable, they are not hesitant to go out and fight the guy. arum doesnt do that nearly as much. and thats the truth. donaire is fine over at gbp...there are plenty of fights at bantam that gbp are better equipped to explore for him.

I'm not saying Nonito shouldn't have just taken Bobs deals, but seriously are you going to sit here and tell me GBP will ever do a better job at promoting than Top Rank? Boxing isn't a day to day business it takes time, resources and a lot of ACTUAL promoting to become a star, if thats what Nonito wanted he should have stayed. Just look at who makes all the money, sure it may take you a bit longer to reach the million dollar mark in Top Rank but you'll make it up tenfold in the long run, Nonito I'm sure was just blinded by the site of 1 million dollars instead of 500,00 I'm sure I would be too but it doesn't mean its a mistake.

Its like me saying do you want a 500k RIGHT NOW CASH or a penny today, but I'll double the amount each day for a month. So, a penny today, 2 cents tomorrow, 4 cents the next day etc. It sounds like the 500k is a pretty sweet deal, but if you just stuck around with the pennies you would be over a million within a month. Besides, Bob went to Harvard and got a Law Degree I'll take any financial advise/contract he would give me over a former boxer whose partners AND Marquez have already left the company.