Martinez is the best active fighter right now

[madsweeney]

No, he pulled out. Weren't they negotiating? Why did he all of a sudden fight Clottey?

Perhaps because Arum had a date set with HBO for a fight and after 2 months of negotiating, nothing was happening with Mayweather. They dropped negotiations and almost instantly had Clottey fight and they barely had enough time for a short promo tour and 8 week training camp. There's no way Roach/Pac would do less than an 8 week camp going up against Mayweather.

I think they all figured they'd get the fight signed after the fight (notice how they agreed to May's 14 day proposal right after the Clottey fight?)

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Froch has fought better competition. Stop being such a bandwagoner Larry.

[IMDAZED]

Perhaps because Arum had a date set with HBO for a fight and after 2 months of negotiating, nothing was happening with Mayweather. They dropped negotiations and almost instantly had Clottey fight and they barely had enough time for a short promo tour and 8 week training camp. There's no way Roach/Pac would do less than an 8 week camp going up against Mayweather.

I think they all figured they'd get the fight signed after the fight (notice how they agreed to May's 14 day proposal right after the Clottey fight?)

So in other words, they pulled out.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

I'd still rate Pacquiao above Martinez. Although Pac's opponents may have not been prime, it's not like they were years past their best (except DLH). Pacquiao has had absolutely no trouble dismantling DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito. He wiped them clean, and these were all belt-holders within the past couple years, no more, but less. Martinez had shades of trouble against Cintron (although the victor was clear), lost to Williams, was getting tattooed while landing his own in the rematch, was behind on the majority of scorecards against Pavlik until the cut. He's not untouchable, let alone invincible. Did anyone really think Sergei had a chance? I mean the guy is a sitting duck for Christ sake. I think the question before the fight wasn't if Sergei could win, it was if he could make it out with a decision loss over a KO loss. Sure, I was impressed on how he took him out, but Sergei's best win was over a past-prime Daniel Santos... I think if Sergio fights a solid, skillful puncher, he can lose. Unfortunately, they are scarce in the middleweight division now that Abraham has moved up.

[madsweeney]

So in other words, they pulled out.

pulling out of a fight is having a fight signed, ready to go then pulling out (i.e. Berto vs Mosley)

Moving on after failed negotiations is not pulling out of a fight.

[IMDAZED]

pulling out of a fight is having a fight signed, ready to go then pulling out (i.e. Berto vs Mosley)

Moving on after failed negotiations is not pulling out of a fight.

No, pulling out isn't defined by madsweeney. They were knee deep into negotiations for a fight everyone wanted. He walked away (with a mediator at the table!) and made a fight no one asked for. Keep justifying it, you disgusting ass d*ckrider. At least the smart Pac fans stay away from that topic.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'd still rate Pacquiao above Martinez. Although Pac's opponents may have not been prime, it's not like they were years past their best (except DLH). Pacquiao has had absolutely no trouble dismantling DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito. He wiped them clean, and these were all belt-holders within the past couple years, no more, but less. Martinez had shades of trouble against Cintron (although the victor was clear), lost to Williams, was getting tattooed while landing his own in the rematch, was behind on the majority of scorecards against Pavlik until the cut. He's not untouchable, let alone invincible. Did anyone really think Sergei had a chance? I mean the guy is a sitting duck for Christ sake. I think the question before the fight wasn't if Sergei could win, it was if he could make it out with a decision loss over a KO loss. Sure, I was impressed on how he took him out, but Sergei's best win was over a past-prime Daniel Santos... I think if Sergio fights a solid, skillful puncher, he can lose. Unfortunately, they are scarce in the middleweight division now that Abraham has moved up.

When was that? He was never behind against Pavlik, not even close.

[BOLLOCKS]

Martinez is teh man.

[madsweeney]

No, pulling out isn't defined by madsweeney. They were knee deep into negotiations for a fight everyone wanted. He walked away (with a mediator at the table!) and made a fight no one asked for. Keep justifying it, you disgusting ass d*ckrider. At least the smart Pac fans stay away from that topic.

You say pulling out of a fight, what does that mean to most people, it means pulling out of a signed fight for whatever reason.

Like you said, he walked away from negotiation because THERE WAS NO LONGER ENOUGH TIME TO PROMOTE/TRAIN since the fight wasn't signed due to OST.

I'm a d*ckrider?!? You've been a hater for YEARS, GTFOH!

[RIZO24]

Cotto is the best active fighter right now. Didnt people see his performance against Mayorga??? He looked so much improved with Steward in his corner, He beat Mayorga bad and received no punishment!! Cotto is in his prime right now!! Its time for Martinez to step up and fight Cotto!!!