Why are Pac/May expected to move up in weight but not Sexy Sergio?

[IMDAZED]

SO you admit you are biased and have double standard. Its ok for Martinez too call out great fighters who fights 2 weight class under him but not for pacquaio or floyd to call out fighters from light weight(which pacquaio hasnt done)

I just never could get the whole pass that Martinez get for calling out Pacquaio or floyd to prove he is great....and then Floyd get crucified for fighting Marquez(and i also crucified floyd for this).

I just wanted to know since when is it ok for a fighters to call out a fighter from the lower divison and then people start calling him a warrior for it.

I don't admit anything. And you're probably a Pac d*ckrider. Go find a mirror. You sound dumb to me, just leave it alone.

[Slick_Rick]

I don't see how beating Pac or May at 154 is going is to propel him to p4p#1, unless he willing to go down to Manny's 150 limit. Fighting them is more of a financial incentive, and who can blame the guy at 36.

If he wants that no1 spot hes going to have to go to 168, IMO, where there is serious depth in competition.

[2501]

Martinez is in his 3rd Division. He didn't start at Middleweight you idiots.

[dans]

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary.

Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't.

On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much.

If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions.

Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions.

I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW.

[DrewWoodside]

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary.

Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't.

On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much.

If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions.

Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions.

I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW.

Still reading the rest of your post and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but in regards to the bold. Significance of lbs is also relative to size. Because they are smaller, each pound means more. As you go up in weight this changes expotentially which is why there are more lbs separating the classes the higher you go. It's not simply 14 lbs at a high weight class is equivalent to 14 lbs at a much lower weight class.

[DrewWoodside]

Drew, I think this is fair, but some context is definitely necessary.

Sergio was at one time a welterweight, so this is already his 3rd division. The difference between 147 and 160 is huge. You typically have much taller and bigger men at 160 (Pavlik), whereas 147 typically doesn't.

On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much.

If Sergio went up to SMW, that would be an increase of 21 pounds from his starting weight, but only 3 weight divisions. Whereas Pac started around 112 and by going up about the same amount in weight, he's able to climb 6 weight divisions.

Not making excuses, but it's kind of obvious that it's easier to climb in weight in the lower divisions.

I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW.

I understand you think it's going to be tricky bringing his frame to 168, but I think Martinez has been so effective recently. So head and shoulders above his peers.. He can fight at the next class and still be winning impressively. Hey maybe he needs to have somewhat a test the waters fight up there. If he really loses speed or his power is ineffective up there. No harm done, come back down. Personally I think while he may not necessarily be able to clean out 168 completely, he can do a lot of good work up there.

Maybe it's just me, but I think he's too good and too old to waste his time and momentum on a guy like Pirog.

[dans]

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On the flip side, Pac and Mayweather both came from the lower weight divisions. In the lower divisions, the differences in weight classes is not as significant IMO. From flyweight to featherweight is only a difference of 14 pounds, which is about the same as the 13 pounds from WW to MW. So yes, Pac went through all these weight divisions, but it is much easier to conquer divisions when the difference is not as much.

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I understand that the advantages of weight are more impactful in the lower divisions and that's why they have more weight classes, but it doesn't discount the fact that it's easier to go from flyweight to lightweight than from WW to SMW.

Still reading the rest of your post and I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but in regards to the bold. Significance of lbs is also relative to size. Because they are smaller, each pound means more. As you go up in weight this changes expotentially which is why there are more lbs separating the classes the higher you go. It's not simply 14 lbs at a high weight class is equivalent to 14 lbs at a much lower weight class.

I know.

What I'm saying is that typically, the difference between a SMW and a WW is huge. Whereas, the difference between a flyweight and a LW is not always as apparent. Guys who can make flyweight typically are shedding lots of weight and barely making it. Not saying that doesn't happen with MWs and SMW's, but typically it is more of their natural size.

I know what you're saying, and I do agree, but I think the fact remains that going from WW to SMW or from MW to HW is much harder than going from say flyweight to LW or WW. Mainly because you're talking about a completely different natural size.

[dans]

I understand you think it's going to be tricky bringing his frame to 168, but I think Martinez has been so effective recently. So head and shoulders above his peers.. He can fight at the next class and still be winning impressively. Hey maybe he needs to have somewhat a test the waters fight up there. If he really loses speed or his power is ineffective up there. No harm done, come back down. Personally I think while he may not necessarily be able to clean out 168 completely, he can do a lot of good work up there.

Maybe it's just me, but I think he's too good and too old to waste his time and momentum on a guy like Pirog.

I'm not against it. I think he could beat a guy like Bute.

But I would consider it an amazing accomplishment.

[dans]

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Mainly because you're talking about a completely different natural size.[/QUOTE]

There's a reason Pac won't go up any higher than 154. You're talking about some big guys when you get to MW.

[Chups]

Pac won a belt there.. should be defending it.

Just like Roy Jones defended his Heavyweight Title against Lewis, Tyson and Klitscho. It's seems fair and the people wants it.