Martinez p4p# 1? For what reason?

[Stigma]

Yes that how we feel, We are tired of seeing him make easy fights and looking for advantages while proclaiming he's the best, We are tired of people telling us he's small while he goes up and pick on slow asss guys, You can cry all you want about how people feel about Pac's opponents but its the true and it hurts people like you, Its nice and easy when its Mayweather's name but when its Pacquiao's name you guys start crying..Well get over it.

I could give two ****s how you "feel". I'm not your parent or your girlfriend, and I don't visit the board to dispense well-wishing and positive reinforcement. Pacquiao fighting bigger, slow men is no better or worse than Mayweather fighting smaller, naturally gifted opposition. I certainly don't cry over it. If Pacquiao is consensus number one in the world do you think he, or I, or any other Pacquiao fan cares what Ray* thinks on the Internet?

Not likely, dude.

[Ray*]

I could give two ****s how you "feel". I'm not your parent or your girlfriend, and I don't visit the board to dispense well-wishing and positive reinforcement. Pacquiao fighting bigger, slow men is no better or worse than Mayweather fighting smaller, naturally gifted opposition. I certainly don't cry over it. If Pacquiao is consensus number one in the world do you think he, or I, or any other Pacquiao fan cares what Ray* thinks on the Internet?

Not likely, dude.

Yes you do! Why are you posting trying to convince people who critise Pac along with Mayweather? If you dont give two ***** then you wouldnt post anything which you're trying to justify why no one should put Martinez over Pac.. Fact is you do give a ***** Why? Because people are now talking about someone else who isnt Pac or Mayweather and they're begining to see those two for what they are Cherrypickers...Deal with it.

[Guest]

remember that tom cruise movie with cuba goodings? "show me the money!!!!!"

He could kill it with Sturm most likely in Germany.


Don't see him getting the other cash cows.

He's popular on here sure, but Argentina is a small country and his fan base isn't that big, right or wrong.

[straightleft]

Lol, Now Martinez has to go to cruiserweight (200)..Got to protect their man for sure.

Why not? Let's take a look the comparable weight divisions they were in before.

Pac started at flyweight.
Flyweight - beat prime lineal WBC flyweight champ Sasakul.
Super Bantamweight - beat prime IBC super bantamweight champ Ledwaba.
Featherweight - beat prime lineal Ring Magazine champ Barrera.

Martinez started at welterweight.
Welterweight - who he beat?
Light Middleweight - Beat Cintron
Middleweight - WBC/WBO champ Palvik, Dzinziruk, Williams draw.

Bias and hate put aside, this is the most logical weight comparison between these two men. P4P, prime for prime, resume and accomplishments wise. Sasakul, Ledwaba and Barrera >>>>>>> Cintron, Pavlik and Dzinziruk. They really pale in comparison. After Pac beat Barrera in 2003 nobody ever mentioned Pac is a p4p fighter let alone saying he is a P4P# 1 but Martinez a P4P# 1 after beating Dzinziruk? LOL! Prime Barrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dzinziruk! Pac became P4P because he moved up to 130, 135, 140, 147, 150 and fought bigger more accomplished fighters even though some said they are past their or weighed drained. The question is if Pac can do that, then why Martinez can't? Shortcut to fame?

[kadyo's]

He could kill it with Sturm most likely in Germany.


Don't see him getting the other cash cows.

He's popular on here sure, but Argentina is a small country and his fan base isn't that big, right or wrong.

yeah, sturm is the most plausible and it has to be in germany right. I don't think any of the three boxing cash cows would go near him, they have other business to take care of.

[Ray*]

Why not? Let's take a look the comparable weight divisions they were in before.

Pac started at flyweight.
Flyweight - beat prime lineal WBC flyweight champ Sasakul.
Super Bantamweight - beat prime IBC super bantamweight champ Ledwaba.
Welterweight - beat prime lineal Ring Magazine champ Barrera.

Martinez started at welterweight.
Welterweight - who he beat?
Light Middleweight - Beat Cintron
Middleweight - WBC/WBO champ Palvik, Dzinziruk, Williams draw.

Bias and hate put aside, this is the most logical weight comparison between these two men. P4P, prime for prime, resume and accomplishments wise. Sasakul, Ledwaba and Barrera >>>>>>> Cintron, Pavlik and Dzinziruk. They really pale in comparison. After Pac beat Barrera in 2003 nobody ever mentioned Pac is a p4p fighter let alone saying he is a P4P# 1 but Martinez a P4P# 1 after beating Dzinziruk? LOL! Prime Barrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dzinziruk! Pac became P4P because he moved up and fought bigger more accomplished fighters even though some said they are past their or weighed drained. The question is if Pac can do that, then why Martinez can't? Shortcut to fame?

Why am i debating boxing with a moron?

[kadyo's]

I just finished my 5th bottle of this beer.



and I'm going to sleep happy that both fighters I rooted for won. Good night, jreck.

[straightleft]

Why am i debating boxing with a moron?

Why not present your facts and not turn to insulting someone when you can't provide any facts. You think someone will believe anybody because they said so and they believed so? I know he can't go to cruiserweight. Its too big for him but you can't also dismissing the fact Pac did more than that.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Why not? Let's take a look the comparable weight divisions they were in before.

Pac started at flyweight.
Flyweight - beat prime lineal WBC flyweight champ Sasakul.
Super Bantamweight - beat prime IBC super bantamweight champ Ledwaba.
Welterweight - beat prime lineal Ring Magazine champ Barrera.

Martinez started at welterweight.
Welterweight - who he beat?
Light Middleweight - Beat Cintron
Middleweight - WBC/WBO champ Palvik, Dzinziruk, Williams draw.

Bias and hate put aside, this is the most logical weight comparison between these two men. P4P, prime for prime, resume and accomplishments wise. Sasakul, Ledwaba and Barrera >>>>>>> Cintron, Pavlik and Dzinziruk. They really pale in comparison. After Pac beat Barrera in 2003 nobody ever mentioned Pac is a p4p fighter let alone saying he is a P4P# 1 but Martinez a P4P# 1 after beating Dzinziruk? LOL! Prime Barrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dzinziruk! Pac became P4P because he moved up to 130, 135, 140, 147, 150 and fought bigger more accomplished fighters even though some said they are past their or weighed drained. The question is if Pac can do that, then why Martinez can't? Shortcut to fame?

So to back up your argument a Barrera who had just come off a loss to JMM at 130 and lost to Manny at 130 for the super-featherweight title was a prime welterweight?

Sorry but thats not correct.

[S.G.]

P4P ratings are always based on the now, and for my money Sergio has done more than Pac and Floyd lately. If we're judging it on overall resume, Hopkins should be #1.