Wladimir Klitschko - how can Haye beat him?

[BigStereotype]

[Spray_resistant]

Like some have already said I think he needs to go after it early and get Wlad out before the start of the 4th when Wlad will by then surely have some understanding of Haye's rhythm and timing and Wlad will be in his usual comfortable rhythm he generally fights in.

If it goes longer than that because of Haye trying to set up power shots too cautiously I think Haye will be down because he doesn't throw in volume and Wlad should at the very least be touching him with his jab if not landing with great authority and scoring points.

[IronDanHamza]

It will be tough for Haye on in the insdie and it will b even tougher on the outside.

Unless Haye can land a monsterous shot early it's going to be a tough night.

Whenever Haye throws 1 punch at a time which is quite often Wlad will have a field day.

The bottom line is Haye has to hurt or discourage him to beat him. If he doesn't, he's not going to win.

[SCtrojansbaby]

How can Haye beat him?

He can't

[nomadman]

For Haye to win he'll need to jump on Wlad from the start when he's fresh, confident and still has the possible element of surprise. Go to Wlad's body and head, mix up his attacks and hope at least some of those punches get through. And if he does manage to hurt Wlad he'll need to finish really strongly, not get overexcited and waste punches and possibly allow Wlad to recoup and get back into the fight.

Thing is, for anyone expecting a repeat of the Sanders fight, I wouldn't hold your breath. Of late, Wlad's shown an excellent ability to avoid or nullify punches, and the chin and composure to withstand heavy shots. If Haye just tries to throw wild haymakers at Wlad's head he'd going to be missing a lot and getting a ramrod jab in his face for his troubles. Wlad's really got quite adept at swaying back from overhand rights whilst maintaining his composure and jab, and Haye would expend a lot of energy if he went down this route, energy which he can't afford to squander if he hopes to win.

One punch which I think Haye might have some success with is the ducking left hook, the same punch Benn used on McClellan: duck and sway under the jab and come up with a hard left hook from the legs. Whether he'll be able to land it though is another matter. McClellan rather foolishly stood in Benn's range and got punished for his troubles; Wlad won't do that. He'll be maintaining his distance and making sure Haye won't be able to set his legs for a big shot by constantly keeping the jab in his face. To nullify that Haye will need to stay way on the outside when he's not punching, force Wlad to come to him and hope to land a counter, though this is risky as he could find himself getting pushed back to the ropes where he'll be a sitting duck to Wlad's punches. And unlike Valuev Wlad won't let him escape from the ropes.

Honestly though, the more I think about this fight the less chance I see of Haye winning. You can talk about speed and athleticism and power and sexy corn rows all you like but stylistically Haye has a lot going against him. I expect this fight to go a lot like the Lennox Tyson bout, albeit a more conservative version with both fighters quite hesitant to engage.

[P4P Opinion]

For Haye to win he'll need to jump on Wlad from the start when he's fresh, confident and still has the possible element of surprise. Go to Wlad's body and head, mix up his attacks and hope at least some of those punches get through. And if he does manage to hurt Wlad he'll need to finish really strongly, not get overexcited and waste punches and possibly allow Wlad to recoup and get back into the fight.

Thing is, for anyone expecting a repeat of the Sanders fight, I wouldn't hold your breath. Of late, Wlad's shown an excellent ability to avoid or nullify punches, and the chin and composure to withstand heavy shots. If Haye just tries to throw wild haymakers at Wlad's head he'd going to be missing a lot and getting a ramrod jab in his face for his troubles. Wlad's really got quite adept at swaying back from overhand rights whilst maintaining his composure and jab, and Haye would expend a lot of energy if he went down this route, energy which he can't afford to squander if he hopes to win.

One punch which I think Haye might have some success with is the ducking left hook, the same punch Benn used on McClellan: duck and sway under the jab and come up with a hard left hook from the legs. Whether he'll be able to land it though is another matter. McClellan rather foolishly stood in Benn's range and got punished for his troubles; Wlad won't do that. He'll be maintaining his distance and making sure Haye won't be able to set his legs for a big shot by constantly keeping the jab in his face. To nullify that Haye will need to stay way on the outside when he's not punching, force Wlad to come to him and hope to land a counter, though this is risky as he could find himself getting pushed back to the ropes where he'll be a sitting duck to Wlad's punches. And unlike Valuev Wlad won't let him escape from the ropes.

Honestly though, the more I think about this fight the less chance I see of Haye winning. You can talk about speed and athleticism and power and sexy corn rows all you like but stylistically Haye has a lot going against him. I expect this fight to go a lot like the Lennox Tyson bout, albeit a more conservative version with both fighters quite hesitant to engage.

Good post. It's certainly laughable that some posters on this forum believe that all Haye will have to do is throw one big shot. Not everyone will see it this way, but I'd call Haye beating Wladimir one of the biggest upsets in recent times.

[Levcon8686]

I agree with pretty much all the comments in this thread.

Haye has to make his right hand count if he's to have any chance. The success I see him having will come from explosive bursts. He'll be picking and choosing his moments and on his bike for the rest of it. I think he'll also find Wlad is much better at shutting up shop than he used to be. It's entirely possible he could hurt Wlad with a good shot. Enough to stop him? I doubt it. His finishing is a little over-rated. He can be a bit sloppy and Wlad is a bigger guy than the Ruiz and Barrett's of the world. 2 or 3 knockdowns necessary to stop Wlad outright I imagine, which will be difficult because Wlad has learned how to survive when hurt.


I see Wlad picking up the rounds, haye having moments here and there and on his bike all night. He'll probably cry robbery after it aswell. I hope it's the bloodbath people think it'll be but I just don't see it....

[Joeyzagz]

The key for Haye is very simple: Dont get hit.

Best way to do this is get on the bicycle for the first 4 rounds to frustrate Wlad as well as well as the German crowd. Dont worry about scoring, just keep your chin clean. Sooner or later Wlad will be forced to leave his comfort zone and open up, thats when Haye makes his move.

Haye should also go for body shots, and nail him right where that injury occured. If Wlad covers up, then go for the head and knock em out.

[AndrewDobson]

I think haye has agood chance. i mean how do you beat wladimir ?
by getting him out of his game plan , wladimir clearly looks pissed
and angry. as long as he can control it thats fine but if he
gets too emotional its going to make it easy for david haye
which is obvuiously what david haye was trying to do .

if haye wins it will be because he was smart enough to :

1) let the klitschkos get a bit older before he fought them
vitali looks old in most of his recent training photos

2) get them angry and out of their normal game plan

those are hayes best chances and what he has been doing all this time

if wladimir does what he normally does boxes patiently
he wins it easy. if he gets angry and makes mistakes haye
will have a good shot

wladimirs best weapon is emmanuel steward .....
his greatest weakness will be if he lets haye make him
over emotional ... (which as we can all see is already happening)

[The_Demon]

I agree that Haye will probably have to take Wladimir out early. Haye's stamina problems will mean he probably won't have the same power later on in the fight and Klitschko always finishes strong, as his confidence level rises throughout the fight. How does he get that knockout though?

He gets the knockout by slipping his jab and landing a huge right hand