Criticism of Showtime: Bute vs Magee (and the 3-fight deal)

[The Gambler1981]

Does Viacom(Showtime) have a play in the Canadian market? To me that would be the major question. Bute is hot shit in Canada, from my understanding of it anyway.

[Hitman932]

A neutral venue would bring a lot less money for all involved. If all these guys wanted to fight each other the fights would take place in Montreal. But I do question the motivation for all of them, even a warrior like Kessler, they will all look for easy money.

Dirrell is a non-draw and is hated by both the media and fans, he won't have any leverage.

The $$$$ excuse is lame and no it would not mean a lot less money for everyone involved.

Bute isn't getting 2.5 million from Showtime because of the attendance at the Bell Centre.

[The Gambler1981]

Bute does need to pick it up, I think it is possible that Dirrell would go to Montreal if they threw enough money at him.

I would hope Dirrell would fight to win this time though~

[RSBonos]

The $$$$ excuse is lame and no it would not mean a lot less money for everyone involved.

Bute isn't getting 2.5 million from Showtime because of the attendance at the Bell Centre.

Both promoters would get the gate and Bute also sells PPVs in Quebec. Less money for sure.

Like I said before, Bute runs out of excuses in his next fight, regardless of where he needs to fight to make it happen and also lets not pretend that Kessler and Dirrell are itching to make these fights either.

and lol at you for going after Bute while sporting an Erdei avatar

[RSBonos]

Does Viacom(Showtime) have a play in the Canadian market? To me that would be the major question. Bute is hot shit in Canada, from my understanding of it anyway.

Showtime is not on in Canada. We get the "Super Channel" and they or HBO Canada never show any Canadian fighters because they are on independent PPVs instead.

[Hitman932]

Bute does need to pick it up, I think it is possible that Dirrell would go to Montreal if they threw enough money at him.

I would hope Dirrell would fight to win this time though~

Gary Shaw isn't going to send Dirrell to fight Montreal without at least 2 warm up fights to get him back into the swing of things. By the time Dirrell has been cleared and is ready for that kind of fight Bute will already have fought Mendy and Stevens and finished his Showtime contract.

At that point he isn't going to risk a shot at the Super 6 winner by taking on Dirrell. Bute's resume is not only mediocre, but is filled with guys who are dreadfully slow of hand and foot. A guy who can move around the ring and throw punches in combination? Not gonna be the direction that Bute goes.

[Clegg]

Both promoters would get the gate and Bute also sells PPVs in Quebec. Less money for sure.

Like I said before, Bute runs out of excuses in his next fight, regardless of where he needs to fight to make it happen and also lets not pretend that Kessler and Dirrell are itching to make these fights either.

and lol at you for going after Bute while sporting an Erdei avatar

It's pretty tiring to hear Bute fans come out with the bolded.

Kessler fought Froch and also went to the US to face Ward and the UK to fight Calzaghe. All 3 were world class and undefeated. Dirrell fought Abraham and Froch (in the UK). Both were world class and undefeated.

Some of the criticisms of Dirrell and Kessler have merit, but to suggest that they are the same as Bute when it comes to who they're willing to face and where they're willing to face them is ridiculous.

[Hitman932]

Both promoters would get the gate and Bute also sells PPVs in Quebec. Less money for sure.

Like I said before, Bute runs out of excuses in his next fight, regardless of where he needs to fight to make it happen and also lets not pretend that Kessler and Dirrell are itching to make these fights either.

and lol at you for going after Bute while sporting an Erdei avatar

Erdei moved up to Cruisweight and won a world title in a FOTY worthy performance against Giancobbe Fragomeni. This despite the fact that Erdei is a midget compared to Bute.

Bute, on the other hand, wasn't even willing to move up 7 lbs to fight Pascal at LHW in what would have been the biggest fight in the history of Canadian boxing.

Erdei's fights against Fragomeni, Garay x 2 and Julio Caesar Gonzalez represent at least 4 opponents who were much more challenging than anyone and everyone that Bute has faced.

It's a good thing you mentioned Erdei though, as he represents yet another opponent who Bute could consider fighting to get a little respect, yet won't be considered because he actually has boxing skills.

[RSBonos]

It's pretty tiring to hear Bute fans come out with the bolded.

Kessler fought Froch and also went to the US to face Ward and the UK to fight Calzaghe. All 3 were world class and undefeated. Dirrell fought Abraham and Froch (in the UK). Both were world class and undefeated.

Some of the criticisms of Dirrell and Kessler have merit, but to suggest that they are the same as Bute when it comes to who they're willing to face and where they're willing to face them is ridiculous.

Kessler def gets a pass. But he has already said that he will fight the S6 winner and it sure doesn't seem like he wants to face Bute before that. Dirrell doesn't even deserve defending, he managed to hold and clutch his way to a close loss with Froch and quit against Abraham and quit the tournament. Kessler also managed to recover very quickly, fast enough to try to bypass the tournament...but I will give him the benefit of the doubt because like I said he is a warrior (I saw him fight live btw).

Bute, Kessler, Dirrell are all ranked around the same place. Bute needs to step it up, i'm not denying that. The circumstances of him not being invited or not wanting to participate in the S6 (whatever you believe) led to a wasted 2010. If he continues to fight vs Mendy eg. then he deserves all the hate coming to him and so does Showtime.

Bute's camp made a major mistake by not wanting the Pascal fight, I agree there too.

[The Gambler1981]

Showtime is not on in Canada. We get the "Super Channel" and they or HBO Canada never show any Canadian fighters because they are on independent PPVs instead.

Well maybe Showtime is getting in on that end?