Hecter Camancho..respected fighter?

[Poet682006]

well, he was very quickly inducted into the HOF.

what exactly do you consider an ATG? He certainly was an ATG puncher, either way.
'ATG' is purely subjective.

Do you consider Alexis Arguello an ATG? a 20 year old Ramirez deserved to beat him, and Camacho beat the crap out of Ramirez.

HOF doesn't equal ATG. Anyone can into the IBOF if they have a sizable fan base. Gatti and Ward will most likely get in. Neither are ATG caliber fighters by any means.....not even close.

Gerry Cooney had an ATG punch.....but was NOT an ATG fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

Ramirez had a good night against an Arguello who was starting to slip.....and still lost. He also got a colossal gift against Whitaker.

Poet

[FINCHINGBAG]

More show than rumble.

He will not survive fighting pacquiao!!

[BorderPatrol]

Poet, you're just a bitter dude trying to hate on men who tasted success like Camacho while you sit in your little room pouring your heart out onto a sheet of paper. Nobody gives a phuck and you know it. So cut the ****tt and get a real job.

[Poet682006]

Poet, you're just a bitter dude trying to hate on men who tasted success like Camacho while you sit in your little room pouring your heart out onto a sheet of paper. Nobody gives a phuck and you know it. So cut the ****tt and get a real job.

You wouldn't know what success was if it slapped your little pre-pubescent face and called you a biatch :hahahaha9: Real ADULTS don't hero worship, least of all people so low on the food chain as a bunch of dumb jocks (ie. athletes aka pieces of meat without brains) :jerk0ff9:

Poet

[Steak]

HOF doesn't equal ATG. Anyone can into the IBOF if they have a sizable fan base. Gatti and Ward will most likely get in. Neither are ATG caliber fighters by any means.....not even close.

Gerry Cooney had an ATG punch.....but was NOT an ATG fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

Ramirez had a good night against an Arguello who was starting to slip.....and still lost. He also got a colossal gift against Whitaker.

Poet

either way, Rosario was an excellent fighter, even if you dont believe he was an ATG, which is a subjective term anyway. he had a far better career than Cooney.

Ramirez definitely did not lose to Arguello. have you seen the fight? Its a damn good one, but Ramirez dropped Arguello in the middle rounds and was able to counter him very effectively throughout.

and Arguello, ithough fading, still went on to beat Watt, Mancini, Ganigan, and give prime Pryor absolute hell.

[STREET CLEANER]

HOF doesn't equal ATG. Anyone can into the IBOF if they have a sizable fan base. Gatti and Ward will most likely get in. Neither are ATG caliber fighters by any means.....not even close.

Gerry Cooney had an ATG punch.....but was NOT an ATG fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

Ramirez had a good night against an Arguello who was starting to slip.....and still lost. He also got a colossal gift against Whitaker.

Poet

But you rationalize that Arguello was slipping when he fought Ramirez but you can't concieve that Camacho was slipping already (a lost to Haugen).

So in your opinion Ramirez is not a good fighter.

I watch Camacho to see him loose, I didn't like his style or antics. But one thing for sure is the early part of his career he was one of the top fighters and beat good competition

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You just don't like the fact that I am not agreeing with your vote for the cabbie killer with 100 victories. And since you mentioned Sweet Pea, has Chavez apologized to him for the robbery? You may not like the fact that Camacho was not the same when he fought Chavez, but it does not change that fact. Watch Camacho of old and then watch him once he was committed to the party life. BIG difference kid.

Disrespecting Chavez is to disrespect boxing...

I admit Chavez got a gift draw vs Sweet Pea, something you would never do. The second you said Camacho in his prime "Toys" with Sweet Pea, disqualifies you from ever giving your opinion on anything boxing ever.

Camacho's partying was his own problem, something that happened with a lot of Puerto Rican fighters. Maybe they should have dedicated themselves more in the gym and less at the club....KID.

[BorderPatrol]

You wouldn't know what success was if it slapped your little pre-pubescent face and called you a biatch :hahahaha9: Real ADULTS don't hero worship, least of all people so low on the food chain as a bunch of dumb jocks (ie. athletes aka pieces of meat without brains) :jerk0ff9:

Poet

And yet, here you are regaling all of us with your extensive boxing knowledge huh? I get it, you're doing the whole high school interpretation of the world around you. Very simplistic and low IQ to think that because you write subpar poems/rap that you are perhaps more profound than a man who plays a sport. It's a bit too breakfast club 1986 for me. You're starting to sound like a trenchcoat mafia loser. The kind of *************** hick, pimples and all, who lashes out at the world for not taking note of his warped sense of entitlement and "specialness." Look here, your mother lied. You suck at life. Stop the hate.

[Poet682006]

either way, Rosario was an excellent fighter, even if you dont believe he was an ATG, which is a subjective term anyway. he had a far better career than Cooney.

Ramirez definitely did not lose to Arguello. have you seen the fight? Its a damn good one, but Ramirez dropped Arguello in the middle rounds and was able to counter him very effectively throughout.

and Arguello, ithough fading, still went on to beat Watt, Mancini, Ganigan, and give prime Pryor absolute hell.

Rosario was a very good but not great fighter. Cooney was an example of someone with a great punch who wasn't a great fighter. The point being that a great punch doesn't make you great.

All designations are subjective but I'd rather not cheapen the definition of great by spreading it far and wide.

Watt and Ganigan were never that good and Mancini was marginal: A solid fighter but not even a near-great. Arguello also got KTFO by Pryor, something I seriously doubt would have 10 years earlier. Pryor himself gets grossly overrated.....based largely on the fact he KOed a past-it Arguello. Certainly nothing Pryor did in his career warrents the overinflated regard he gets from people claiming he was some awesome threat to Leonard and Hearns.

Poet

[BorderPatrol]

Rosario was a very good but not great fighter. Cooney was an example of someone with a great punch who wasn't a great fighter. The point being that a great punch doesn't make you great.

All designations are subjective but I'd rather not cheapen the definition of great by spreading it far and wide.

Watt and Ganigan were never that good and Mancini was marginal: A solid fighter but not even a near-great. Arguello also got KTFO by Pryor, something I seriously doubt would have 10 years earlier. Pryor himself gets grossly overrated.....based largely on the fact he KOed a past-it Arguello. Certainly nothing Pryor did in his career warrents the overinflated regard he gets from people claiming he was some awesome threat to Leonard and Hearns.

Poet

Stick to Pablo Neruda kid, you're beyond help at this point. Maybe now is a good time to cut the closet-worship of "dumb jocks" out and really focus 100% on that brilliant poem you have been trying to write since middle school.

Your self-serving worldview of those stronger and more physically talented than you, was to marginalize them into a subhuman category if only to allow you to continue your farce of being this profound individual worthy of oxygen. You soothed your fragile ego with BS about how dumb jocks are and how brilliant you are even though nobody else took notice. Sad.