Prince Naseem: hall of fame!

[Dave Rado]

Not being in the top 10 doesn't stop you from being a great.

You obviously didn't read the articles I linked to (e.g. Cliff Rold: "Verdict on Mike Tyson: Easy Hall of Famer but Just Shy of the All-Time Heavyweight Pantheon").

And in any case I was replying to a post which said that he is regarded as a top 10 ATG heavyweight. Most boxing historians disagree.

[Dave Rado]

I dont think Ive ever said either was greater. I said there was nothing Tyson did at HW that Naz didnt do at FW.

Holmes, even at that stage of his career, and Spinks, were better scalps than anyone Hamed beat, especially given the way he totally destroyed them both. Plus Tyson didn't retire as soon as he was beaten for the first time, and he remained a top 5 Heavyweight for a long time after that.

I do think Hamed should be in the HoF though, and I am sure it's only a matter of time before he gets in.

[rocky_balboa23]

Hamed is one of the most overrated boxer of all time. his resume is shallow and when he stepped his competition he got exposed badly.

[project xxx1]

Hamed is one of the most overrated boxer of all time. his resume is shallow and when he stepped his competition he got exposed badly.

he lost one fight and he was past it then

the day he walked out of brendan ingles gym his career went downhill

he was better than gatti

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Holmes, even at that stage of his career, and Spinks, were better scalps than anyone Hamed beat, especially given the way he totally destroyed them both. Plus Tyson didn't retire as soon as he was beaten for the first time, and he remained a top 5 Heavyweight for a long time after that.

I do think Hamed should be in the HoF though, and I am sure it's only a matter of time before he gets in.

Larry Holmes was past his best and Spinks was a great fighter....at light heavyweight. I guess they're better names than anyone on Naz's, but i dont think its enough to say theres a huge gulf between the two careers as some have tried to claim. I think hes as deserving to be in the HOF as Tyson.

[Dave Rado]

Larry Holmes was past his best and Spinks was a great fighter....at light heavyweight. I guess they're better names than anyone on Naz's, but i dont think its enough to say theres a huge gulf between the two careers as some have tried to claim. I think hes as deserving to be in the HOF as Tyson.

Holmes was a bit past his best but was a long way from being shot. Holmes beat an undefeated Mercer four years after losing to Tyson, and he beat him more impressively than Lewis did; and in his next fight after that, he was very competitive with Holyfield. No one other than Tyson ever stopped him, although he fought on for another 14 years. And Spinks had recently beaten a previously undefeated Holmes twice. Both were much better opponents than anyone Hamed beat, not just better names - especially given the way in which he completely destroyed them.

Holmes was no further from his prime when he lost to Tyson than Hopkins was when he lost to Calzaghe. And Tyson won far more convincingly than Calzaghe did.

[RubenSonny]

You obviously didn't read the articles I linked to (e.g. Cliff Rold: "Verdict on Mike Tyson: Easy Hall of Famer but Just Shy of the All-Time Heavyweight Pantheon").

And in any case I was replying to a post which said that he is regarded as a top 10 ATG heavyweight. Most boxing historians disagree.

Ah fair enough, and I tend to see him beign outside the top 10 aswell.

[UmarImranKhalil]

MAB took his heart and crushed it in one fight, he was never the same after he lost and retired soon after.

Hamed was losing his soul piece by piece for years before he met Barrera, MAB was just the culmination, not the one adversary who ended Hamed or did irreparable damage to his fighting heart.

If anything, the impatient, negative reaction to his comeback fight and rebranding contributed as much to his disappearance from the game.


It took Naz a few more years and some embattled times, but it would seem that he's rebuilding his soul in retirement.

[Dave Rado]

If anything, the impatient, negative reaction to his comeback fight and rebranding contributed as much to his disappearance from the game.

Not to mention that that fight was only a few months after 9/11 and all the anti-****** feeling that followed from it, which I'm sure screwed him up, given the way he had promoted his religion previously.

[prinzemanspopa]

If Kostya Tszyu can make it on the first ballot,Naseem Hamed most certainly deserves serious consideration or a spot.Hamed's accomplishments,at the very least,are on par with Tszyu's.Considering Tszyu failed to avenge his loss to Phillips and retired after his loss to Hatton,Hamed pretty much quitting the sport shouldn't be held against him.