Comments Thread For: David Haye: I'm Expecting Wladimir To Fight, Not Vitali

[Uncle Rodge]

the best heavyweight title fight is made is many many years & all you lot can do is piss & whine at each other.

Lets get one thing straight.

Klitschko has achieved more than any of us.

Haye has achieved more than any of us.

Anyone sitting at home cussing either one is a pathetic individual.

Can we not be happy that they're fighting. I am ashamed to be called a boxing fan looking at the complete crap you lot are writing.

Wlad is a great fighter. David is a great fighter. Let's just look forward to the fight.

I'm guessing that 95% of you have never even been in a proper fight. If you had, you'd know to show more respect to the ones who can.

By the way, i am from haye's hood but also a klit fan. It is possible. They both deserve respect.

very well said!!!

[cklmaced]

He cant get seem to understand that. Apparently the IBF is the only "significant" belt that Wlad has. Wtf? I cant believe how ignorant and brainwashed some people are

LOL again another self ownage explain what "he can't get seem to understand that" means. You clearly don't get what I am saying the lineal champion doesn't matter as much unless the true No.1 has the belt at the division. I will admit Wlad is No.1 now but when Briggs held the belt he clearly wasn't the No.1 HW in the world, hence it loses value. Same as I don't conisder Berto the best WW in the world even though he is a lineal champion as well. The only other belt of note that Wlad has is the Ring Champion which is how most people decide who is the best at the division.

[cklmaced]

I said nothing about Haye being a coward, but if that's foremost in your mind maybe you have uneasy thoughts leaning that way. I said that he was likely forced to fight the Klitschkos. I would presume that financial pressures might have been brought to bear.

Nobody who gets into the ring for a living is a coward. I have myself fought over 60 fights and have seen thousands of fights, and believe I am a good judge of the mental makeup of a fighter.

As for his irrationality, you only have to read my post properly to see the contradictions and incosistancies, not to mention the multitude of wild pronouncements he's made over the past 3 years or so.

As for the fight being easily made in the UK or States, we have Haye's manager saying that they were NEVER considered as venues, and we have Klitschko's manager saying that the fight may or maybe won't take place in Germany, that several venues are being considered all in Europe. AND...the reason is financial. So may we not understand that the reason for the fight not taking place in either the UK or the USA is also financial.

If you'll forgive me for saying so, you seem to me to be a bit of a dumbo, and a stubborn one, who can't see beyond the end of his nose. Not that I wish you any harm, or insult. "

This Edgarg guy" has a little more intelligence than that.

Fair enough although you still are assuming Haye didn't want the fight when it is obvious he does. I already admitted it should be held in Germany, I just honestly don't think he would fight Haye in the UK or USA. The fact that you call me a dumbo and then say you don't wish to insult me is a contradication but anyway your entitled to your view and Im entitled to mine.

[Mr. Philadel]

i have 20k on the table that says haye knocks out wladimir klitorus.
any haye haters wannit?
IF NOT

bet all that chump change...put up that 40k to my 500k....if Haye doesn't get KTFO...you win!!!...even if Wlad wins on points...you win....I bet that Haye gets KTFO...highlight reel style!!!....PM me if you want it

[Dirk Diggler UK]

LOL again another self ownage explain what "he can't get seem to understand that" means. You clearly don't get what I am saying the lineal champion doesn't matter as much unless the true No.1 has the belt at the division. I will admit Wlad is No.1 now but when Briggs held the belt he clearly wasn't the No.1 HW in the world, hence it loses value. Same as I don't conisder Berto the best WW in the world even though he is a lineal champion as well. The only other belt of note that Wlad has is the Ring Champion which is how most people decide who is the best at the division.

Do you even know what the lineal title is? This is pathetic

Berto is not the lineal champ. Wtf? Go learn something about the sport.

[Money Shot]

Haye seems to be doing all the talking about the fight. Where is Wlad?

[cklmaced]

Do you even know what the lineal title is? This is pathetic

Berto is not the lineal champ. Wtf? Go learn something about the sport.

Yes he is you idiot, tell me who the lineal champ is so its not my fault you can't understand simple English or should I say "He cant get seem to understand that".

[Dave Rado]

the lineal champion doesn't matter as much unless the true No.1 has the belt at the division.

Rubbish. If the lineal champion beat the man then as long as he fights the top contenders after that, that does not devalue the championship.

when Briggs held the belt he clearly wasn't the No.1 HW in the world, hence it loses value.

Not at all, Briggs beat the man who beat the man, and then defended against Lewis in his very next fight and Lewis became the champion. That did not devalue the championship one iota, quite the opposite, it allowed Lewis to get the legitimacy of being recognised a THE champion, whereas until then he had just been regarded as one of many paper title holders.

And as I pointed out in an earlier post, there have been literally hundreds of alphabet belt holders who were worse than Briggs, including half a dozen right now, so bringing up Briggs as a reason why the lineal title means nothing is ridiculous. It means far more than all the paper titles combined.

Same as I don't conisder Berto the best WW in the world even though he is a lineal champion as well.

Berto is not the lineal champion. Where on earth did you get that idea from? Most consider Mayweather to be the lineal champion since he beat Mosley. A few, including The Ring, consider the lineal title to be vacant. Berto is not even on the radar. He has done nothing that could remotely qualify him to be called the lineal champion. Goodness, do you have any idea how the lineal championship works???? There are only two ways to become the lineal champion: either by beating the current lineal champion, or if the title is vacant, by a fight between the #1 and #2 in the division (or in exceptional circumstances, between the #1 and #3, as was the case when Wlad beat Chagaev - but that is very rare). Berto has never fought a lineal champion, has never been ranked in the top 2 in his division, and has never even fought anyone ranked in the top 5 in his division, never mind in the top 2. He is no more the lineal champion than I am.

[cklmaced]

Rubbish. If the lineal champion beat the man then as long as he fights the top contenders after that, that does not devalue the championship.



Not at all, Briggs beat the man who beat the man, and then defended against Lewis in his very next fight and Lewis became the champion. That did not devalue the championship one iota, quite the opposite, it allowed Lewis to get the legitimacy of being recognised a THE champion, whereas until then he had just been regarded as one of many paper title holders.

And as I pointed out in an earlier post, there have been literally hundreds of alphabet belt holders who were worse than Briggs, including half a dozen right now, so bringing up Briggs as a reason why the lineal title means nothing is ridiculous. It means far more than all the paper titles combined.




Berto is not the lineal champion. Where on earth did you get that idea from? Most consider Mayweather to be the lineal champion since he beat Mosley. A few, including The Ring, consider the lineal title to be vacant. Berto is not even on the radar. He has done nothing that could remotely qualify him to be called the lineal champion. Goodness, do you have any idea how the lineal championship works???? There are only two ways to become the lineal champion: either by beating the current lineal champion, or if the title is vacant, by a fight between the #1 and #2 in the division (or in exceptional circumstances, between the #1 and #3, as was the case when Wlad beat Chagaev - but that is very rare). Berto has never fought a lineal champion, has never been ranked in the top 2 in his division, and has never even fought anyone ranked in the top 5 in his division, never mind in the top 2. He is no more the lineal champion than I am.

I didn't once complain about Briggs being a world champion plus the lineal champion is literally a made up title by boxing fans so the value of the title itself is questionable. The real title most people go by is the RING title as you can't debate who holds that title.

[Dave Rado]

I didn't once complain about Briggs being a world champion plus the lineal champion is literally a made up title by boxing fans so the value of the title itself is questionable. The real title most people go by is the RING title as you can't debate who holds that title.

The Ring title is based on the lineal title -The Ring champion is the boxer whom The Ring (and its ratings panel of 38 boxing experts who mostly don't work for The Ring) considers to be the lineal champion.

Most of the time, most boxing historians agree with The Ring about who the lineal champion is, so most of the time, The Ring champion and the lineal champion are the same thing. Occasionally, there is disagreement, as is the case with Mayweather now, as most boxing historians considered that Mosley-Mayweather was the #1 fighting vs. the #2 in the division, and therefore that Mayweather became the lineal champion when he won that fight. But The Ring had Pac ranked at #1 at that time, and therefore they consider the lineal title to still be vacant.

But The Ring belt is the only belt that is based on who the lineal champion is, so it is by far the most respected of the belts for that reason. And most of the time, The Ring champion is also recognised by almost everyone who matters (i.e. by all credible boxing experts) as being the lineal champion.