Haye has overrated power

[lparm]

The point is that you had no point, you were just typing for the sake of typing.

Actually my point was that Wlad has a well known suspect chin, if you are unaware of this you are obviously very new to boxing. Haye as I have clearly stated at least twice on this thread has power, but I believe it's overrated. When I see articles saying Haye can land one shot and KO any hw I strongly disagree. That's the point. At hw Haye's resume is fairly weak so the one punch crap IMO is all hype. See my point now?

[Dave Rado]

Haye's power is rated where it belongs.

Neither underrated or overrated.

He has devastating power.

Haye has very good power, but it is not devastating. An old Ruiz wouldn't have lasted 8 rounds if it had been devastating. Valuev wouldn't have recovered so quickly if it had been devastating. (And Valuev was out on his feet against *****ko, who is not a big puncher, so the myth that Valuev has an invincible chin is just that, a myth).

You definitely overrate his power.

[New England]

david haye is a honest to goodness puncher

he's fast
and he puts everything (78 inches of reach and about 6'3" 215) into his shots


he's not as big of a hitter as wladimir
but he is a hard puncher.

[Dave Rado]

Actually my point was that Wlad has a well known suspect chin, if you are unaware of this you are obviously very new to boxing. Haye as I have clearly stated at least twice on this thread has power, but I believe it's overrated. When I see articles saying Haye can land one shot and KO any hw I strongly disagree. That's the point. At hw Haye's resume is fairly weak so the one punch crap IMO is all hype. See my point now?

Everyone knows that Wlad's chin was poor in the past. But the Purrity fight is a silly example to bring up, partly because it was so long ago, it's like judging Pacquiao on the Torrecampo fight, or judging Ali on the first Henry Cooper fight; and partly because in the Purrity fight, it wasn't his chin that let him down in any case, it was his stamina - he wasn't knocked out, he just ran out of gas and his corner pulled him out.

But no one has been able to land cleanly on it or get past his jab in the last five years since Steward completely changed his style. Judging his chin now on what it was in the distant past is like judging Ali's chin on the Henry Cooper fight, or Pacquiao or the Torrecampo fight, or Lewis or the first McCall fight. The truth is that no one knows how well Wlad would take a big punch now. But what anyone who has watched his fights and who understands boxing does know is that it's extremely difficult for anyone to land a big punch on him now, and if Haye manages to do so, he would deserve a huge amount of credit for doing that - but I very much doubt he'll be able to.

[Dave Rado]

david haye is a honest to goodness puncher

he's fast
and he puts everything (78 inches of reach and about 6'3" 215) into his shots


he's not as big of a hitter as wladimir
but he is a hard puncher.

One advantage that Haye does have over Wlad power-wise is that he throws a lot more combinations. Wlad rarely throws more than two punches at a time, and very rarely throws more than three at a time. But I agree that Wlad has more one-punch power than Haye. Haye has never knocked a world class fighter out cold with a single punch like Wlad did to Chambers. And Haye didn't throw any combinations against Valuev, so whether he'll throw any against Wlad remains to be seen.

[nomadman]

Haye does have pretty good power, but the manner in which he generates it is dangerous and leaves himself open to counters. He basically sets his feet and launches his whole body into the shot, which if it connects, sure, will do a lot of damage. But if it doesn't he throws himself off balance and becomes massively exposed. It's also very inefficient, power wise. When you're throwing shots like that it isn't long before you've emptied your gastank, and we've certainly seen that happen with him before. Haye's got the quickness and the explosiveness to catch Wlad out, but he'll also have a hard time getting his feet set with Wlad's jab constantly in his face. Power and speed aren't everything. Haye's going to be missing, a lot.

[BrooklynBomber]

Haye does have pretty good power, but the manner in which he generates it is dangerous and leaves himself open to counters. He basically sets his feet and launches his whole body into the shot, which if it connects, sure, will do a lot of damage. But if it doesn't he throws himself off balance and becomes massively exposed. It's also very inefficient, power wise. When you're throwing shots like that it isn't long before you've emptied your gastank, and we've certainly seen that happen with him before. Haye's got the quickness and the explosiveness to catch Wlad out, but he'll also have a hard time getting his feet set with Wlad's jab constantly in his face. Power and speed aren't everything. Haye's going to be missing, a lot.

Especially if he uses it only sparringly.

[nomadman]

One advantage that Haye does have over Wlad power-wise is that he throws a lot more combinations. Wlad rarely throws more than two punches at a time, and very rarely throws more than three at a time. But I agree that Wlad has more one-punch power than Haye. Haye has never knocked a world class fighter out cold with a single punch like Wlad did to Chambers. And Haye didn't throw any combinations against Valuev, so whether he'll throw any against Wlad remains to be seen.

I don't think that's really going to make much of a difference unless he can hurt Wlad. In order to get combinations off he'll need to both negate the jab and negate the clinch, two things which are nigh on impossible to do against a fresh, lucid Wlad. He might get the odd shot in here and there, but a vast majority of his work is going to be smothered before it can begin.

[Dave Rado]

Haye does have pretty good power, but the manner in which he generates it is dangerous and leaves himself open to counters. He basically sets his feet and launches his whole body into the shot, which if it connects, sure, will do a lot of damage. But if it doesn't he throws himself off balance and becomes massively exposed. It's also very inefficient, power wise. When you're throwing shots like that it isn't long before you've emptied your gastank, and we've certainly seen that happen with him before. Haye's got the quickness and the explosiveness to catch Wlad out, but he'll also have a hard time getting his feet set with Wlad's jab constantly in his face. Power and speed aren't everything. Haye's going to be missing, a lot.

Nice to see some intelligent analysis for a change.

[Dave Rado]

I don't think that's really going to make much of a difference unless he can hurt Wlad. In order to get combinations off he'll need to both negate the jab and negate the clinch, two things which are nigh on impossible to do against a fresh, lucid Wlad. He might get the odd shot in here and there, but a vast majority of his work is going to be smothered before it can begin.

Agreed. But if he can hurt Wlad even a little, then his combination punching would potentially give him enough power to finish the job. But when he hurt Valuev he didn't follow up, so maybe not ...