Comments Thread For: Haye Rips 'No Heart' Klitschko: "I Eat Tall, Chinny Euros!"

[Dave Rado]

Wlad's promoter is Wlad, fyi, and if you knew any better, K2 is on very bad terms with all the major german promoters.

I guess, but the real promoter within K2 is Boente, and he is German (just as Schaeffer is the real promoter within GBP).

But contrary to what you wrote elsewhere, Sauerlend is not Haye's promoter, they just get a percentage of his revenue, as their price for allowing him to fight Valuev. They don't do any actual promoting of his fights.

I agree with you about the reasons in another post for why it makes sense for the fight to be in Germany, though. But that doesn't make it a neutral venue - it isn't.

[BrooklynBomber]

Whoops, I forgot about that, for some reasson. But contrary to what you wrote elsewhere, Sauerlend is not Haye's promoter, they just get a percentage of his revenue, as their price for allowing him to fight Valuev. They don't do any actual promoting of his fights.

I agree with you about the reasons why it makes sense for the fight to be in Germany, though.

You have a point in sense that Sauerland is not Haye's promoter in classic sense, however since the fight is in Germany I am more then sure all of the technical details on Haye's side will be done by Sauerland. And it does not negate the fact that Wilfred hates Klitschkos and would do anything in his power to diminish their rising authority and money share on german boxing scene. So, Klitschko's advantage in administrative side of things is quite marginal if not illusionary.

[Dave Rado]

You have a point in sense that Sauerland is not Haye's promoter in classic sense, however since the fight is in Germany I am more then sure all of the technical details on Haye's side will be done by Sauerland. And it does not negate the fact that Wilfred hates Klitschkos and would do anything in his power to diminish their rising authority and money share on german boxing scene. So, Klitschko's advantage in administrative side of things is quite marginal if not illusionary.

My point was that the Klitschkos are based there, it's effectively their adopted country, and the German fans regard him as one of their own, so he gets as a much of a fan advantage as Haye would in Britain (and even neutral judges are sometimes swayed by strong fan reactions). I only mentioned his promoter (and K2 is effectively run by Boente, in practice, and he's German), as one of many illustrations that Wlad has adopted Germany as his base and that he effectively fights at home when he fights there, just like Bute has adopted Canada.

[hweightblogger]

You're just trolling. Germany is his adopted base. The German "audience" are not neutral

You have no counter-arguments at all except "German audience is not neutral". So what? In what country would the audience be neutral = either 50/50 proWlad/proHaye or completely indifferent?

I am pretty certain that there is no neutral country on earth where Wlad has less (or as little) fans as Haye. We have to assume that in every country of the world there are more Wlad fans, especially since Haye is pretty unknown.

I always thought you were one of the better posters, but you obviously cannot distinguish between valid arguments and trolling. I guess BrooklynBomber is also a troll for you.

[BrooklynBomber]

My point was that the Klitschkos are based there, it's effectively their adopted country, and the German fans regard him as one of their own, so he gets as a much of a fan advantage as Haye would in Britain (and even neutral judges are sometimes swayed by strong fan reactions). I only mentioned his promoter (and K2 is effectively run by Boente, in practice, and he's German), as one of many illustrations that Wlad has adopted Germany as his base and that he effectively fights at home when he fights there, just like Bute has adopted Canada.

All of that would've made some argument if Klitschkos, who in my opinion fight just as well outside of Germany as inside, were depending on judges to win the fights, but since either brother usually outlands their opponents 5 to 1 punches and Haye is probably the fighter with the lowest punch output either brother had ever fought judges are not an issue. This fight will either be won on knockout(on either side) or Wlad will complete a shot out decision win where judges will only have to only fill in the cards and not even scratch the back of their heads at any moment.

Neither brother was ever involved in a decision win that was in any way dubious, to accuse them of such would be inconsistent.

[Ravens Fan]

Haye dont **** talk,he is telling it how it is,he backs up his talk!.

he said he would demolish fraudley,no one believed it,it happened.

he said he would beat valuev-he did it,easily,with a damaged right hand.

he said he would mess up ruiz-he did that with out sparring for him.

he said he would KO enzo easy,he did it easy.

he said he would take out mormeck-he got back up and won in style.

He WILL knock out wladimir.

He WILL outbox,hurt,injure and stop vitali.

Haye dont **** talk he lives it!.

he said he would demolish fraudley,and no one outside of England cared, it happened.

he said he would beat valuev-he really didn't do it,hardly, and then faked an injury to cover up the stink fest.

he said he would mess up ruiz- and he did after he illegally rabbit punched Ruiz into submission.

he said he would KO enzo easy, and so as everyone else.

he said he would take out mormeck-he got back up and beat a past his prime old man who ain't done **** since.

He WILL be knocked out by wladimir.

He WILL never box, or hurt, or injure or stop vitali because they will never fight.

There you go. I went ahead and made some small adjustments so your statement would be more realistic. I hope you don't mind?

[Dave Rado]

I guess BrooklynBomber is also a troll for you.

BrooklynBomber is an intelligent poster. Sadly, you are not.

[Dave Rado]

All of that would've made some argument if Klitschkos, who in my opinion fight just as well outside of Germany as inside, were depending on judges to win the fights, but since either brother usually outlands their opponents 5 to 1 punches and Haye is probably the fighter with the lowest punch output either brother had ever fought judges are not an issue. This fight will either be won on knockout(on either side) or Wlad will complete a shot out decision win where judges will only have to only fill in the cards and not even scratch the back of their heads at any moment.

Neither brother was ever involved in a decision win that was in any way dubious, to accuse them of such would be inconsistent.

I don't disagree with any of that, I just reacted to someone who was trying to pretend that Germany is a neutral venue, when it self-evidently is not.

It's only in a very close fight (like Froch-Dirrell) that home advantage is likely to matter, and none of the Klitschkos' fights have been close.

And despite Valuev having had effective home advantage against Haye, Haye got the benefit of the doubt from the judges in an extremely close fight.

Nevertheless it is not a neutral venue any more than London would be, and it was that claim that I was responding to.

[hweightblogger]

I don't disagree with any of that, I just reacted to someone who was trying to pretend that Germany is a neutral venue, when it self-evidently is not.

self-evidently = "because Dave Rado says so"

OK, Rado, Name the country where it would be neutral.

Nevertheless it is not a neutral venue any more than London would be, and it was that claim that I was responding to.

Oh, sure, Wlad was born in Kazakhstan, Haye is from London, but London mysteriously is as neutral as Germany. What a logic.

[vitali1999]

Talk talk talk, that's all that ***** does is talk. And davie rado is a non logical candy eating super *****.