Roy Should be a Trainer

[IronDanHamza]

This is one of the things I dislike about Roy Jones commentating, cos every time, some hero-worshipping fan of 'Roy Jones the fighter' talks up his commentating performance as gospel even if it's complete b/s.

Fans would be the same if Tyson or Mayweather was commentating, the line between being a great fighter and being an intelligent analyst gets blurred due to some residual hero-worshipping left over from their boxing prime.

Alvarez was the bigger more powerful man and puncher, MattHatt would've been bullied and KO'd if he took Alvarez on the inside.

Precisely.

People seem to presume he can fight like Ricky because he's his brother

Can you imagine if Matthew tried to become an inside fighter all of a sudden and tried to maul Alvarez?

[John Barron]

idk about you but, i know what fight i watched last night. given the opponent he was with, going inside was the only strategy that worked. it seems like you've already excused him as hatton's brother though.

This is one of the things I dislike about Roy Jones commentating, cos every time, some hero-worshipping fan of 'Roy Jones the fighter' talks up his commentating performance as gospel even if it's complete b/s.

Fans would be the same if Tyson or Mayweather was commentating, the line between being a great fighter and being an intelligent analyst gets blurred due to some residual hero-worshipping left over from their boxing prime.

Alvarez was the bigger more powerful man and puncher, MattHatt would've been bullied and KO'd if he took Alvarez on the inside.

well in fact, he did and wasn't. would've? did you see that dumb look on alvarez's face? like shit, i have no inside game what do i do?

[IronDanHamza]

idk about you but, i know what fight i watched last night. given the opponent he was with, going inside was the only strategy that worked. it seems like you've already excused him as hatton's brother though.


well in fact, he did and wasn't. would've? did you see that dumb look on alvarez's face? like shit, i have no inside game what do i do?

Worked? Nothing worked for him, mainly because he's terrible and utterly out of his league.

All he did on the inside was hold him because he was getting beaten up. Trying to actually bully and fight the best, biggest and probably strongest fighter he has ever faced on the inside would be been utterly brutal and actually quite hilarious to watch Hatton try that.

[Weebler I]

well in fact, he did and wasn't. would've? did you see that dumb look on alvarez's face? like shit, i have no inside game what do i do?

Not for very long. I'm not saying Alvarez has a great inside game, but Matt doesn't either and staying in that kind of close range would've been pretty dangerous and imo would've resulted in a KO shot sooner or later. Imo he did the right thing staying on the outside and going the distance.

I don't actually think it was possible for MattHatt to beat Alvarez, not because he's a bad fighter, but because the differential in power was too great, as Matt himself said, Canelo just walked through his punches.

[John Barron]

Worked? Nothing worked for him, mainly because he's terrible and utterly out of his league.

All he did on the inside was hold him because he was getting beaten up. Trying to actually bully and fight the best, biggest and probably strongest fighter he has ever faced on the inside would be been utterly brutal and actually quite hilarious to watch Hatton try that.

yeah, worked as in not getting beaten the fuck up by winding left hooks (alvarez's only game) and actually landing flush shots to canelo's head.

[John Barron]

Not for very long. I'm not saying Alvarez has a great inside game, but Matt doesn't either and staying in that kind of close range would've been pretty dangerous and imo would've resulted in a KO shot sooner or later. Imo he did the right thing staying on the outside and going the distance.

I don't actually think it was possible for MattHatt to beat Alvarez, not because he's a bad fighter, but because the differential in power was too great, as Matt himself said, Canelo just walked through his punches.

i know but his corner is trash for saying the opposite gameplan when it was painfully obvious alvarez doesn't know what to do when he's pressured. i'm saying matt probably would've gotten less punishment if he initially kept doing what he did to survive.

[IronDanHamza]

i know but his corner is trash for saying the opposite gameplan when it was painfully obvious alvarez doesn't know what to do when he's pressured. i'm saying matt probably would've gotten less punishment if he initially kept doing what he did to survive.

I don't know how this can be made any clearer.

His corner gave him THE gameplan. THE gameplan has been his same gameplan for his entire career; Box on the outside.

Alvarez may not know what to do when pressured but Matthew Hatton doesn't know how to pressure and can not pressure!

Your saying had he held on to Alvarez like he was in the last few rounds he would have taken less punishment? Well that's obvious. Of course if he fights for survival for 12 rounds the odds are you will take less punishment.

But of course, he wasn't fighting for survival. He was trying to win. Using his only gameplan;

To box on the outside

[John Barron]

I don't know how this can be made any clearer.

His corner gave him THE gameplan. THE gameplan has been his same gameplan for his entire career; Box on the outside.

Alvarez may not know what to do when pressured but Matthew Hatton doesn't know how to pressure and can not pressure!

Your saying had he held on to Alvarez like he was in the last few rounds he would have taken less punishment? Well that's obvious. Of course if he fights for survival for 12 rounds the odds are you will take less punishment.

But of course, he wasn't fighting for survival. He was trying to win. Using his only gameplan;

To box on the outside

i'm sorry, but did you even see the fight? he did both, pressured and boxed. guess which one worked? roy jones called his corner out on it right after the round (7 i believe) in which matt had success pressuring alvarez. i know you have a strong distaste for him or something but... seriously.

[ShoulderRoll]

Didn't Roy have a hand in training Derrick Gainer? We saw how well that turned out.

[deuce_drop]

roy was a reflex fighter, no fundamentals what so ever, he was a special fighter, but once the reflexes didn't support his style of fighting, it all started to catch up to him and led to him getting knocked out.......

not to say that roy couldn't train someone well, but he sure as hell coudn't train a fighter in his style or what he was used to doing in the ring. he would have to train them in defense and fundamentals, two things roy never had.

roy was exceptional but that doesn't hold longivity in boxing, look to guys like bernard hopkins to train someone, that guy is SOUND in fundamentals and defense, among many other greats in boxing, it's the basics that take a fighter a long way and the safest was to participate in the sport.