Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[Schmerzen]

1) You know that The Clay won Olympics as a LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT, don't you?
2) This pic is from 1963 http://www.corbisimages.com/********...x?id=U1362715A

why, because some random website says it is from 63?
i cant believe ali got so much bigger physically within only 2 years, compare the picture u posted to this ones from 1965.



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[Spray_resistant]

Byrd and Chambers wouldn't be contenders in any other era of HW boxing is Chambers slick compared to Ali is he?

That is all opinion both fighters are good whether anyone admits it or not. I am just illustrating how Wlad has does well against that particular style of opponent and how the advantages Ali would have against him have been of no use when others who had similar advantages have tried to employ them.

[hweightblogger]

the controversy was that Ali didnt listen to the rules. The KO was happening one way or another after that huge left hand.

Nobody knows. AND EVEN IF. The Clay is a featherfist INCLUDING all of these KOs. You see, I didn't even EXCLUDE these contested KOs from The Clay's record and Ali is at the bottom of all heavyweight champs.

so wait...are you saying actual ability>size...so wait....that means...YES! being skilled>size!

Ability is > size. But we are not talking about "a heavy bum vs 70's elite" but we are talking about "a heavy elite fighter (Klitschko) vs 70's far lighter elite".

Clay's parameters (height, reach, experience, featherfistedness) ARE NOTHING SPECIAL for the Klitschkos. But vice versa Clay has not seen anything as experienced and powerful as Wladimir in his entire career.

you said 'being larger makes you harder to KO'. yet a much larger Long is far easier to KO than Holyfield.

Bums are nearly always easier to KO than non-bums. But HEAVY bums are harder to KO than light bums. Some very light non-bummy opponents are also easier to KO than bummy heavy opponents. Is that clear now?

and me mentioning Holmes and Foreman is extremely relevant. you said 'the 70s was a piss era'

I said "golden = p*ss". But even Holmes in the 1970s didn't shine. Holmes' time was in the 80ies. Foreman is the best fighter of the 1970s. He is the only exception that would be competitive nowadays. Ali would not.

yet...old man versions of both Holmes and Foreman have stood the test of time and still did quite well in the 90s. so if 40+ year old version of them could make it in the 90s, most certainly their prime versions would have done well there too. therefor, those 70s fighter could most definitely have held their own in todays division.

Holmes or Foreman > The Clay.

In other words: Klitschko vs Holmes or Klitschko vs Foreman WOULD BE FAR MORE COMPETITIVE than Klitschko vs Clay. There is absolutely nothing in Clay's arsenal to be effective against either Klitschko.

[Rick Grimes]

That is all opinion both fighters are good whether anyone admits it or not. I am just illustrating how Wlad has does well against that particular style of opponent and how the advantages Ali would have against him have been of no use when others who had similar advantages have tried to employ them.

Byrd and Chmabers are not similiar to Ali, Ali was smart he wouldn't stand in front of Wlad getting jabbed all night he would be on his toes and coming in with explosive combinations.

[hweightblogger]

you know that Holyfield started his professional career as a LHW at 22-23 years old, right?
You also know Holyfield became HW champion multiple times, and deserved a decision over 310lb Valuev at 45 years old and Valuev is a top fighter in todays divison right?

I know all of these things and it underlines what I said before:

• Evan Fields' KOratio against sub-200 opponents: 77%
• Evan Fields' KOratio against 200+ opponents: 44%
• Evan Fields' KOratio against 215+ opponents: 34% (what is considered genuine heavyweight)
• Evan Fields' KOratio against 225+ opponents: 26% (nowadays heavyweight average) (5 KOs in 19 fights)

Proves exactly my point that it's two different things to KO sub-heavies and heavies.

[cupocity303]

hardest hitting southpaw of all time??lmfao..based on what????he was a fat \ass part time fighter..and yes that was prime wlad..wlads chin isnt good at all..thats why he fights like he does....

NO.

Wlad fights that way because it's the most effective way without the least amount of punishment from the opponent.

You should understand and respect this, being a Floyd fan.

They would be contenders, I think either brother would find it difficult to win a belt, the competition was so thick you had to be an exceptional fighter to even get a title shot. Vitali could have won a belt, wlad doesn't tick all the boxes, back then you wouldn't be able to avoid bad style match ups as easily as you can now, and with wlad against certain fighters he would have had to exchange with ali, norton, foreman, and he would not have lasted.

You have too much respect for the past to be objective when it comes to The Klitschko's.

They're 6'7 fighters with great jabs. They fight tall at all times, and have great fundamentals. ALL of those guys you mentioned, except for Ali, would've struggled against that size and style. Speaking of Ali, The Klitschko's unlike him, don't waste as much unnecessary energy with shuffling and dancing around, yet the achieve the same goal with their Jab as the prime function. Not to say that they wouldn't have lost at some point (because they did lose against current fighters) but the odds would've been in their favor.

Vitali wins by simply being in shape and having a basic reach advantage against his sorry-ass opposition, who don't have a chance of getting past his defense, Foreman would be able to land without too much trouble, and though Vitalis chin is pretty good it wouldn't be able to take what Foreman gives.

Foreman was considered a big guy in his days, and yet he is only 6'2 or 6'3. Reach advantage nothing, his punching style of wide looping punches is simply too Amateurish to get through Wlad's or Vitali's Jab & stand tall style.

Foreman is a great fighter, but it's mostly resume wise. When you cut out all the clutter of "the great win vs Frazier, Norton, becoming oldest HW champ" and look at his fighting skills, soon you'll realize that he is overrated.

they would most definitely 'last' in the 70s. top ten without a doubt.

I dont think either beats Frazier, Ali or Foreman though...maybe Vitali would beat Foreman, but personally I dont think so.
I think Norton had the ability to beat both brothers as well, although there is a chance that Wladimir bombs him out if Wladimir is smart and decides to go on insane attack mode early.

More overrating of past fighters.

Explain to me, how a 5'11 Frazier can beat 6'7 guys who fight tall and have a great jab? When he went life and death with a 6'3 guy with a jab?

Are you overrating Frazier or underrating The Klitschko's, which is it?

[cupocity303]

Frazier was a bull who could weave into close range fighting, and neither brother can fight on the inside at all. also Frazier had excellent stamina and power. I see him getting into close range and going to work.

Yes Wlad and Vitali can't fight on the inside, but Frazier can't fight on the outside, so we could call it even.

No, actually not.

You're presuming that Frazier would be able to get on the inside and stay on the inside enough to make an impact, HE WOULDN'T.

The fight for the majority of the time would be fought on the OUTSIDE, during which The Klitschko's would dominate. I don't see Wlad doing the ROPE-A-DOPE for a lengthy period of time for Frazier to unload on, do you?

[cupocity303]

They would be contenders but not champions imo,the guys from the 70's were truly great heavies

No they weren't if you go by "heavies", you mean Heavyweights.

The Klitschhko's are bigger and heavier, and if they didn't have the skill along with size, then they would've been exposed and done with a long time ago, even if the current crop of contenders are Average.

There have been plenty of 6'7 guys at Heavyweight, if that's all it took (Size) , you would have heard about them by now.

[hweightblogger]

why, because some random website says it is from 63?

How you desperately try to invent a counter-argument. It's not "some random website" but it's the website that owns the copyright to this picture and specializes in cataloging and selling picture rights. If anyone knows the date then it's them.

[cklmaced]

Does everyone seem to forget an old Lewis smashing Vitali's face to bits. Then you wonder why people disagree with your dumb opinions. Try spin that stat and most would say that Lewis isn't the best HW ever let alone a clearly past his prime Lewis who had already being KO'd by Rahman.