Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[Joeyzagz]

So...what youre saying is KO's are all that matters. Wlad and Vitali have a higher KO% than all of those bums, therefore, they are the best easily. GREATEST AND MOST ELECTRIFYING OFFENSIVE FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME. Thankyou for proving that.

KO% means squat if your kos consist of overweight fat girls, with enormous boobs!



Wlad is fighting in the worst era of boxing history and has 3 KO losses, 1 more and he'll be lucky to be ranked above Tommy Morrison.

[Vadrigar.]

Its not silly at all, it really makes you question how their career ko%s would have looked if they were fighting 225+lb guys like most HWs today are.

I mean its not their fault they fought in the times they did when many HWs were just barely 200lbs and many in the 190s but I cringe when ppl call Shavers the hardest puncher in history with his resume filled with fighters who are 190lbs and some in the 180s when he himself was barely 200 at his best.

Maybe because they were actually in shape, instead of the fat blobs we have today.

at weight meaning you have a better chin. it clearly doesn't. Do you think Wlad has a better chin than Tyson?

Speaking of which, Do you think valuev hits harder than Tyson?

These are just some of many examples.

[Jim Jeffries]

Wlad is fighting in the worst era of boxing history and has 3 KO losses, 1 more and he'll be lucky to be ranked above Tommy Morrison.

You're nothing if not entertaining. You mentioned Jack Johnson, who had two KO losses early in his career. But since he was pre prime, no one counts them. Tyson loses to a 43 to 1 underdog at 23 years old, but people like to say that he was past his "true prime." The same people like to bring up a more than 12 year old loss to discredit Wlad. You then forgive any losses that happen post 35. Well all of Wlad's fights from here on out will be **ding ding ding** post 35, yet you claim one more KO loss and he should be wiped from the history books.

If Wlad is still prime, which I believe he is, then it's absurd to bring up the Puritty loss. Which leaves 2 KO losses (during anything resembling prime,) to similar opposition as the ones who sparked out Lennox Lewis. Lennox turned pro at 23, to Wlad's 20. And retired at 37, boxing fewer years and far fewer opponents than Wlad already has.

Now obviously Lennox fought better opposition and rightfully deserves to be ranked above Wlad. But it seems silly to disqualify Wlad for losses while completely ignoring Lewis'. FTR I have Lennox toward the bottom of my ATG HW list and Wlad somewhere in the mid teens.

[Canelo Phresh]

Sanders is the hardest hitting southpaw of all time

and that wasn't a Prime Wlad

Wlad has improved greatly under the tutelage of Emanuel Steward

Current Prime Wlad would KO any version of Sanders

i start to think i can take you seriously then you say something like this

[Die Antwoord]

KO% means squat if your kos consist of overweight fat girls, with enormous boobs!



Wlad is fighting in the worst era of boxing history and has 3 KO losses, 1 more and he'll be lucky to be ranked above Tommy Morrison.

This guy knocked a prime Ali unconcious, forced him to resort to cheating.



And prime Ali couldnt even knock this fat ass big titty old man out



He would be destroyed by either Klitschko and if Wlad and Vitlai were in the 70's they would have banned boxing from the states as it would be a national embarassment.

[hweightblogger]

first of all: this thing about 200lb+ heavyweights is silly. you do realise that the Cruiserweight division used to be 190lb limit, correct?

Yeah so? Knocking out 170+ lbs guys is not comparable to knocking out 230+ guys.

And ESPECIALLY so with Ali whose KOratio drops with every 10 lbs added to his opponents.

The heaviest Clay KOed within 12 was 224 lbs, that's not even Wlad's AVERAGE opponent.

here are some Ali KOs against top rated guys over 200lbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96MYTogoXLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AbL5M976pI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ZIxV9KWgY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFDe9FQL3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUzl0aFHZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prxnGjKjxoo

honestly. seriously. HOW can you call him featherfisted? quit all this numbers bull****. do you even watch boxing?

I call him featherfisted BECAUSE I WATCHED HIM. AND because I analyzed his record.

Look what Youtube videos you pasted:

• Oscar Bonavena: Contested KO because The Clay refused to go to his corner.
• Sonny Liston II: One of the most contested KOs ever because The Clay again refused to go to the corner and the referee didn't even count.
• Cleveland Williams: Atrophied muscles (see his thinner leg that he cannot move properly) and several feet of intestines cut out prior to bout (because of a gun shot)
• Zora Folley 202 lbs, barely a cruiser, median fighting weight 195 lbs, KOratio in real heavyweight fights 35%
• Foreman claims to this day he has been drugged and even if you don't believe so (although it was Ali's co-trainer himself who mentioned that poison was used) it's still an inconclusive KO because it happened in the rain forest during the rain season.
• Ron Lyle. Also contested. From Wikipedia: "Lyle's corner was not happy with the referee’s decision to stop the fight, Lyle was interviewed after the fight and had no visible signs of injury. Given the nature of most fights in the same era, before and after the fight, the stoppage was very unusual"

But, hey, it underlines exactly what I am saying: The 1970s were are p*ss of an era, or why else do you think it's called "golden"?

[hweightblogger]

who do you think has more KO power? Valuev or Tyson? Valuev weighs 100lbs more than Tyson, after all...
my money is on Valuev.

Don't pervert the argument. It's about who is MORE DIFFICULT TO KO: A 170+ lbs guy or a 300+ lbs guy, not who has more KOpower.

And your own example (Valuev) proves how hard it is to KO someone who weighs a lot, because Valuev hasn't even lost once properly, let alone was KOed.

Frazier's/Shaver's/Clay's KOs against lighter guys ARE IRRELEVANT.

[hweightblogger]

Its clear he doesnt watch boxing.

He was mortified when you posted a video of Puritty getting KTFO. Boxrec never showed Ross going down so if boxrec doesnt mention it, knn wont know it.

Don't talk nonsense. I watched that fight long before this thread.

[Steak]

Yeah so? Knocking out 190+ lbs guys is not comparable to knocking out 230+ guys.

And ESPECIALLY so with Ali whose KOratio drops with every 10 lbs added to his opponents.


I call him featherfisted BECAUSE I WATCHED HIM.

Look what Youtube videos you pasted:

• vs Oscar Bonavena: Contested KO because The Clay refused to go into his corner.
• Sonny Liston II: One of the most contested KOs ever because The Clay again refused to go to the corner and the referee didn't even count.
• Cleveland Williams: Atrophied muscles (see his thinner leg that he cannot move properly) and several feet of intestines cut out prior to bout
• Zora Folley 202 lbs, barely a cruiser
• Foreman claims to this day he has been drugged and even if you don't believe so (although Ali's co-trainer claimed it) it's still an inconclusive KO because it happened in the rain forest during the rain season.

But, hey, it underlines exactly what I am saying: The 1970s were are p*ss of an era, or why else do you think it's called "golden"?

the Bonavena KO was contested? Bonavena dropped like a rock and Ali was teeing off on him.
and the Foreman KO doesnt count because 'it happened in the rain forst during the rain season'.
my head wants to explode.

so lets see...KOing Julius Long is more impressive than KOing, say a former LHW, Holyfield, right? after all, Long is way bigger than him, that makes him better! the end! no discussion! better chin, more power!

while were at it, Wladimir's win over Byrd doesnt mean anything, even though its one of(if not his best) win...I mean Byrd was a puny 214lber. Wlads win over the ****ty Paea Wolffgram was much better!

wait, what about an old shot Larry Holmes beating Ray Mercer at 42 years old more impressively than Lennox Lewis or Holyfield did? No, doesnt matter! he ******, wouldnt have lasted with modern HWs!
oh, but Foreman became the lineal champ at 45, and beat a future 2000 champ at 48...nope! he sucks! he wouldnt have beaten anyone in todays division!

[Steak]

Don't pervert the argument. It's about who is MORE DIFFICULT TO KO: A 170+ lbs guy or a 300+ lbs guy, not who has more KOpower.

And your own example (Valuev) proves how hard it is to KO someone who weighs a lot, because Valuev hasn't even lost once properly, let alone was KOed.

Frazier's/Shaver's/Clay's KOs against lighter guys ARE IRRELEVANT.

170lbs? oh, very interesting, it keeps dropping.

who hits harder...Tyson or Valuev...I mean ****, Valuev weighs 100lbs more than him...Even 60lbs more than Wladimir...thats a way bigger jump than 190lbs to 220lbs...
VALUEV HITS HARDER THAN BOTH!

I wonder...whos harder to KO...Chris Byrd...or Tye Fields.
TYE FIELDS TYE FIELDS TYE FIELDS!