Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[Rick Grimes]

That wasn't a prime Wlad, stop being an idiot

There have only been 5 southpaw heavyweight champions in boxing history

Corrie Sanders
Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Michael Moorer

Tony Thompson and Juan Carlos Gomez are the two best southpaws to never win a HW title. Gomez was cruiserweight champ, made 11 title defences.

The Klitschkos have defeated 6 of the 7 best southpaws in history.


Corrie Sanders is one of the biggest underachievers of all time, he had all the tools to be a great HW.

- 6'4

- long reach

- very fast hands

- hardest hitting southpaw of all time (Rahman said Sanders was the hardest puncher he ever faced)

- good chin

- big heart

- great athlete, ran the 100m in 10.7 seconds, he was also a pro rugby player

What do all those guys have in common? They were all HW's that were natural Cruiserweights.

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Corrie Sanders the strongest southpaw of all time and then Steelhammer goes on to discredit Ernie Shavers. Does Steelhammer realize that Shavers was the strongest puncher of all time?

[STEELHEAD]

The 70s had great HWs!

knowing the competition from the 70s HWs, would the klitschko's be on top and have the belts they got?


Who would they match up with? who would put a good whoopin on them? Who would call them out to fight?

no.
too many good fighters that had power and knew how to fight on the inside.

[CumulousClouds]

they would most definitely 'last' in the 70s. top ten without a doubt.

I dont think either beats Frazier, Ali or Foreman though...maybe Vitali would beat Foreman, but personally I dont think so.
I think Norton had the ability to beat both brothers as well, although there is a chance that Wladimir bombs him out if Wladimir is smart and decides to go on insane attack mode early.

How do you see Frazier, Ali, foreman and even norton winning?

Vit, most definitely. He's a lot craftier that he's getting credit for in this thread.

He could beat any hw of the 70's but I wouldn't favor him over Ali or probably Frazier. I got him even money v foreman (cuz vit can fight going backwards and step to the side) and norton.

Everyoje else I would favor vit over.

Wlad would have never had a chance to regain his confidence.

Lennox hit vit with as big of bombs as anyone was throwing back in the day and vit took it all and kept coming.

Yeah lennox hit him with some good ones!

How do you see the three you named beating vitali?

[Steak]

How do you see Frazier, Ali, foreman and even norton winning?


Yeah lennox hit him with some good ones!

How do you see the three you named beating vitali?

Frazier was a bull who could weave into close range fighting, and neither brother can fight on the inside at all. also Frazier had excellent stamina and power. I see him getting into close range and going to work.

Ali was difficult to hit and extremely fast. also his punches caused a lot of cuts and swelling. not to mention his right hand over the jab was extremely quick and surprising. He dealt with the height of Terrell very well, although Terrell wasnt a Klitschko brother. I see Wladimir giving him hell though.

Foremans power and chin combo are almost unparalled in boxing history. although this matchup is a bit difficult to imagine, a 40 year old Foreman dealt with the size of 6'6 Cooney very well, so I imagine a prime version could have done alright too. Foreman actually had a slightly longer reach than either brother, so I dont see him being 'stuck' on the outside, especially with a jab as hard as his. his right hand to the body and close range hooks and uppercuts would have large targets to hit if the fight did get at close range, and his strength would allow him to push off the brothers if they grabbed him.

Norton was very power and excellent at pursuing fighters on the backfoot, he did it to two top 5 ATG HWs in Ali and Holmes. He hit very hard to the head and body. his problem was big punchers that could back him up...so Wladimir could have KOed him if he went super offense like he used to in his early career. otherwise I see him persuing and smashing to the body and head.

[goblin213]

Of course they would've last. They would've been elites still.

[The_Demon]

They would be contenders but not champions imo,the guys from the 70's were truly great heavies

[Die Antwoord]

Frazier was a bull who could weave into close range fighting, and neither brother can fight on the inside at all. also Frazier had excellent stamina and power. I see him getting into close range and going to work.

Ali was difficult to hit and extremely fast. also his punches caused a lot of cuts and swelling. not to mention his right hand over the jab was extremely quick and surprising. He dealt with the height of Terrell very well, although Terrell wasnt a Klitschko brother. I see Wladimir giving him hell though.

Foremans power and chin combo are almost unparalled in boxing history. although this matchup is a bit difficult to imagine, a 40 year old Foreman dealt with the size of 6'6 Cooney very well, so I imagine a prime version could have done alright too. Foreman actually had a slightly longer reach than either brother, so I dont see him being 'stuck' on the outside, especially with a jab as hard as his. his right hand to the body and close range hooks and uppercuts would have large targets to hit if the fight did get at close range, and his strength would allow him to push off the brothers if they grabbed him.

Norton was very power and excellent at pursuing fighters on the backfoot, he did it to two top 5 ATG HWs in Ali and Holmes. He hit very hard to the head and body. his problem was big punchers that could back him up...so Wladimir could have KOed him if he went super offense like he used to in his early career. otherwise I see him persuing and smashing to the body and head.

First of all the 70's Ali wasnt difficult to hit at all, he took more punches against fat YMCA journeyman Chuck Wepner than Vitali has in his entire come back. Seriously, what a joke. I love the super Ali. First of all, its hilarious all the people calling these guys who used to fight at 190-200 early in their career "natural Cruisers" are you on crack? I guess Ali is a natural cruiser as well, hell, so is pretty much every "great" boxer of all time pre-tyson. Ali did the rope a dope against Foreman because he knew he couldnt avoid Foreman's punches. VITALI THROWS MORE AND FROM MORE ANGLES. He is stronger, and bigger than foreman and with much more stamina. You also down play INTELLIGENCE. Vitali is smarter and more prepared and his unorthodox style and preparation would be a nightmare for a hypejob like Ali who was knocked unconcious by 188 pound Henry Cooper and knocked down and taken 15 rounds by Chuck Wepner. Vitali wouldnt be intimidated, wouldnt fight ******, he'd stand in front of Ali, completely unafraid of his power, he'd keep his range, back away from his punches, he fights taller than any fighter in history, and Ali would be forced to chase Ali and 70's Ali was not a chaser. Vitali loves fighting off the back foot and he would wear Ali out, throw more punches, and do tons more damage. He'd probably win by easy TKO in round 8 or so. Anyone who sees it any other way is just a nostalgic person who talks about a mythical Ali who had the chin of Ali against Foreman, the speed of Ali against Liston, power that he never had etc...Want to know how Vitali would do against Ali...watch Ali vs. Foreman and imagine if Foreman had been 25 lbs larger, 4 inches taller, and had used his range and not tried to get inside Ali, instead of letting ALi push on him illegally push the back of his head down etc..., he threw 1-3 punches at a time, backed away,and repeated. Thats what would have happened

Foreman would be even easier for Vitali. Vitali is a bigger stronger, smarter, Foreman with more Stamina. Seriously, Vitali is a human freaking Rope a Dope. He doesnt require the rope. He'd let Foreman chase him, let him corner him, at times Vitali would even run from Foreman. He'd keept his hands down, push foreman away, refuse to clinch ever and if foreman came in and clinched, Vitali would put 250lbs on Foreman. Foreman would be exhausted and confused and take a ton of leather tryong to get close to Vitali's chin. Again, reach is inconsequential when Vitali's chin is 6 inches higher in the air. and he fights tall and long and off the back foot. Foreman's awkward arm punches would be a picnic against Vitali. When has Vitali been hurt? He keeps his hands down and trusts his chin thats never been broken. That uppercut that Lewis threw against Vitali that Vitali walked through is a stronger punch than anything Foreman threw in his life. Thats just a fact. no punch that Foreman had would scare Vitali, Vitali would walk him around the ring, hit him at will, lean back away from Foreman, keep his distance.


Frazier...stfu, if you think that Frazier would be any problem for Vitali you dont know boxing. See frazier vs foreman...any second from their fights...all you need to know.

Norton's crab wouldnt affect Vitali one bit.

A prime Shavers lost toa fighter with a losing record. People need to shut the hell up about Shavers, he's Shannon Briggs without any chin and less ability.

Theres never been a fighter like Vitali, never.

Im not going to argue Wlad, because I think he beats all of these guys as well, but people will argue he has no chin and I dont really want to explain to someone how if a fighter drastically changes their technique to eliminate a weakness that they improve and hence are better than they were and hence couldnt have been prime previously because they are better

[CumulousClouds]

Frazier was a bull who could weave into close range fighting, and neither brother can fight on the inside at all. also Frazier had excellent stamina and power. I see him getting into close range and going to work.

Ali was difficult to hit and extremely fast. also his punches caused a lot of cuts and swelling. not to mention his right hand over the jab was extremely quick and surprising. He dealt with the height of Terrell very well, although Terrell wasnt a Klitschko brother. I see Wladimir giving him hell though.

Foremans power and chin combo are almost unparalled in boxing history. although this matchup is a bit difficult to imagine, a 40 year old Foreman dealt with the size of 6'6 Cooney very well, so I imagine a prime version could have done alright too. Foreman actually had a slightly longer reach than either brother, so I dont see him being 'stuck' on the outside, especially with a jab as hard as his. his right hand to the body and close range hooks and uppercuts would have large targets to hit if the fight did get at close range, and his strength would allow him to push off the brothers if they grabbed him.

Norton was very power and excellent at pursuing fighters on the backfoot, he did it to two top 5 ATG HWs in Ali and Holmes. He hit very hard to the head and body. his problem was big punchers that could back him up...so Wladimir could have KOed him if he went super offense like he used to in his early career. otherwise I see him persuing and smashing to the body and head.

Great post thanks!

They would be contenders but not champions imo,the guys from the 70's were truly great heavies

Yeah i agree,the 70s had great heavy weights!

What fighters from the 70s do you think would've been a good matchup for the brothers?

[Instinto]

They'd be still elite champions. All the top HWs from 70s are even smaller compared to cotenders today. Probably Klitschko brothers would reign for 4-5 years.