Better resume: Martinez or Donaire?

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  • puga
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    #61
    Originally posted by cooper5
    I would lean towards Donaire because Vic and Fernando were bigger wins than Pavlik and Williams IMO, but both these guys are still building resumes and the question should wait til they are done fighting and we are looking back at their careers.
    thank you!....

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      #62
      Originally posted by jrosales13
      I don't care about the size TBH. I mean Donaire is fighting in his 3rd weight-class so what is all this about size?

      If you can make weight then you can make weight. I don't even look into that.

      However, I do take into account the perception of the fight going in. What did people think about the fight going into it, who was the favorite/underdog going into the fight....

      I take that plus other variables in judging how good the win is...But, that's me though...
      probably the deciding factor why i rate Nonito over Sergio

      those major wins by Donaire didn't get past 5 rounds, all ended in TKO/KO

      Martinez lost the 1st fight against PWill (although very close)

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        #63
        This has got to be a joke???????? Martinez >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donaire

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          #64
          Originally posted by cooper5
          I would lean towards Donaire because Vic and Fernando were bigger wins than Pavlik and Williams IMO, but both these guys are still building resumes and the question should wait til they are done fighting and we are looking back at their careers.
          And, really that is all it is...You can lean with either or one...

          You can say that Montiel and Darchinyan are better wins..But, then you can also say that Pavlik and P-Will are better wins in a sense that Martinez was not a huge favorite over them like Donaire was against Montiel.

          You can take that into account.

          You can say is more impressive in beating Pavlik and P-Will back-to-back then beating Montiel and Darchinyan in a 3 year span.

          You can also take that into account.

          Again is all an opinion...You can go with either one.

          Leaning towards Donaire is fine, leaning towards Martinez is fine...

          I think the issue is when people start saying that somebody is clearly ahead of the other. Which is not clear at all.

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            #65
            Originally posted by MaD vEiN
            probably the deciding factor why i rate Nonito over Sergio

            those major wins by Donaire didn't get past 5 rounds, all ended in TKO/KO

            Martinez lost the 1st fight against PWill (although very close)
            I mean that is one way to look at it...And, it's a different variable that I can see and respect.

            Another variable with that is that, a KO could also has more to do with styles, attributes, and mindset.

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              #66
              Originally posted by GoogleMe
              This has got to be a joke???????? Martinez >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donaire
              "this has to be a joke".....does this this statemnet do anything?...i mean really..

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                #67
                Originally posted by GoogleMe
                This has got to be a joke???????? Martinez >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donaire
                In what way is it a joke?

                Are their resumes/accomplishments not in par with each other?

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                • MaD RoBoT
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by GoogleMe
                  This has got to be a joke???????? Martinez >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donaire
                  unless you have reasons to state why, the joke is on you

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by MaD vEiN
                    im not really sold on the "Serg fought bigger fighters" or "Nonito is bigger" clause

                    Sergio is practically bulkier than P.Will, Williams is only taller, same with Pavlik

                    Nonito is not that big as others here imply, plus i think his power is overrated
                    Sergio weighed 167, pavlik 180.

                    I don't understand what you're saying bro....Pavlik is MUCH bigger. Not just taller.

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