Better resume: Martinez or Donaire?

[jrosales13]

if were going to count those guys for Donaire, then we should also count Bunema for Martinez.

the main issue I have is that Donaire is not necessarily the best in his division. ok, I think he is, but it is not set in stone.

If Donaire can beat Moreno, then he might pass Martinez on my list.

Of course we should. I don't see why shouldn't we.

To me is splitting hairs...IMO is pretty equal...You can't go wrong with either or.

[puga]

No, of course you can not consider him that...Fact is if you not the real/lineal/ring champ you can NOT be considered as if....



Of course there is an argument.

Fact is Nonito has never been a lineal/ring/real champ...Martinez has. Donaire has only been paper champ....

And, "Nonito was an interim champion as well at 115" only means that Nonito was the #1 contender and that is it...Donaire is only a 2 division title holder not 3.

Both have been unified champs in 2 division. Both have been 2 division title holders. the only difference is that one has been the real/lineal/ring champion. And, that one person is not Donaire.

Resume/accomplishments is pretty even... You can't go wrong with either choice period.

pavlik was getting his ass handed to him by bhop prior to sergio winning that title from him..the only reason why pavlik ws even a champion was becuase bhop fought him at 10 lbs north.........lol.this lineall title isnt any better than either of nonito's wins over darch or montiel....how was sergio a unifed champ in two divions when he was only interim champ at 154, bumped up to being the champion?.....it goes down to who has fought the better opponet which is clearly nonito....

[puga]

if were going to count those guys for Donaire, then we should also count Bunema for Martinez.

the main issue I have is that Donaire is not necessarily the best in his division. ok, I think he is, but it is not set in stone.

If Donaire can beat Moreno, then he might pass Martinez on my list.

we dont even have to count the wins over bunema, cintron(altho it wasnt a win on paper)myhlane,cobrita , syrondenko for both fighters since they would just cancel each other out......lets just count their best wins...pwill and pavlik for sergio then darchinyan and montiel for nnonito....we already have nonito as the very clear winner here!....also, nonito was a interim champion at 115 and so was sergio at 154 so lets not count that also......again nonito ends up being a legit 2 div champion compared to sergio's one....

[jrosales13]

pavlik was getting his ass handed to him by bhop prior to sergio winning that title from him..the only reason why pavlik ws even a champion was becuase bhop fought him at 10 lbs north.........lol.this lineall title isnt any better than either of nonito's wins over darch or montiel....how was sergio a unifed champ in two divions when he was only interim champ at 154, bumped up to being the champion?.....it goes down to who has fought the better opponet which is clearly nonito....

Taking away the Pavlik lineage for losing at a weight-class he wasn't competing in. Is like taking away Hatton lineage before Pac beat him...Funny you don't use that logic in that regard...

You right because, I meant both were unified in 1 division not 2. That was a type, my mistake...But, again Both were unified in 1 division, both are 2 division title holders. The only difference is that 1(Martinez, NOT Donaire) has been a real/lineal/ring champ in 1 of those divisions. While Donaire has been paper champs in 2 divisions....

Now those are facts...

With the whole who has fought the better competition it will be more opinion than fact...

Again resume/accomplishment wise. They're equal, you can't go wrong with either pick.

[jrosales13]

we dont even have to count the wins over bunema, cintron(altho it wasnt a win on paper)myhlane,cobrita , syrondenko for both fighters since they would just cancel each other out......lets just count their best wins...pwill and pavlik for sergio then darchinyan and montiel for nnonito....we already have nonito as the very clear winner here!....also, nonito was a interim champion at 115 and so was sergio at 154 so lets not count that also......again nonito ends up being a legit 2 div champion compared to sergio's one....

If we're going to count resumes, then we have to count the whole body of work...Not just pick and chose what we want to count.

Then to consider who the better win it comes down to opinion....Not facts...And, you can look at in different ways on who's win is better...You're only looking at in one way in trying to fit an agenda...

Again, resume/accomplishments are equal. You can't go wrong with either pick.

If somebody thinks Donaire should be ranked higher...Fine I can see it and understand.

If somebody thinks Martinez should be ranked higher...Fine I can see and understand.

There is no wrong answer here.

The only wrong answer is the ones who are not being fair(looking at you) to both fighters.

But, you been hating on Martinez since he went on Pac. So that is why you have an agenda right now. And, that's fine with me. Which is why I would end this debate with you.

Have a good one Baracuda.

[cooper5]

I would lean towards Donaire because Vic and Fernando were bigger wins than Pavlik and Williams IMO, but both these guys are still building resumes and the question should wait til they are done fighting and we are looking back at their careers.

[MaD RoBoT]

Taking away the Pavlik lineage for losing at a weight-class he wasn't competing in. Is like taking away Hatton lineage before Pac beat him...Funny you don't use that logic in that regard...

You right because, I meant both were unified in 1 division not 2. That was a type, my mistake...But, again Both were unified in 1 division, both are 2 division title holders. The only difference is that 1(Martinez, NOT Donaire) has been a real/lineal/ring champ in 1 of those divisions. While Donaire has been paper champs in 2 divisions....

Now those are facts...

With the whole who has fought the better competition it will be more opinion than fact...

Again resume/accomplishment wise. They're equal, you can't go wrong with either pick.

im not really sold on the "Serg fought bigger fighters" or "Nonito is bigger" clause

Sergio is practically bulkier than P.Will, Williams is only taller, same with Pavlik

Nonito is not that big as others here imply, plus i think his power is overrated

[puga]

Taking away the Pavlik lineage for losing at a weight-class he wasn't competing in. Is like taking away Hatton lineage before Pac beat him...Funny you don't use that logic in that regard...

You right because, I meant both were unified in 1 division not 2. That was a type, my mistake...But, again Both were unified in 1 division, both are 2 division title holders. The only difference is that 1(Martinez, NOT Donaire) has been a real/lineal/ring champ in 1 of those divisions. While Donaire has been paper champs in 2 divisions....

Now those are facts...

With the whole who has fought the better competition it will be more opinion than fact...

Again resume/accomplishment wise. They're equal, you can't go wrong with either pick.

i was'nt takin it away.....i said what i said only becuase you implied as if sergio's win over pavlik was more legit than nonito's win over darch and monteil which is clearly not the case...both wins by nonito tops the sergio's win pavlik , no contest....let's not kid ourselves and admit sergio was only a 154 inrerimchampion..he didnt fight for the real title..it ws no better than nonito's 115 interim title.....youre right,its all about opinion of who fought the better comp but it's claer as day that darch and monteil >>>>>>>pavlik and pwill.. thats pretty obvious !

[jrosales13]

im not really sold on the "Serg fought bigger fighters" or "Nonito is bigger" clause

Sergio is practically bulkier than P.Will, Williams is only taller, same with Pavlik

Nonito is not that big as others here imply, plus i think his power is overrated

I don't care about the size TBH. I mean Donaire is fighting in his 3rd weight-class so what is all this about size?

If you can make weight then you can make weight. I don't even look into that.

However, I do take into account the perception of the fight going in. What did people think about the fight going into it, who was the favorite/underdog going into the fight....

I take that plus other variables in judging how good the win is...But, that's me though...

[puga]

If we're going to count resumes, then we have to count the whole body of work...Not just pick and chose what we want to count.

Then to consider who the better win it comes down to opinion....Not facts...And, you can look at in different ways on who's win is better...You're only looking at in one way in trying to fit an agenda...

Again, resume/accomplishments are equal. You can't go wrong with either pick.

If somebody thinks Donaire should be ranked higher...Fine I can see it and understand.

If somebody thinks Martinez should be ranked higher...Fine I can see and understand.

There is no wrong answer here.

The only wrong answer is the ones who are not being fair(looking at you) to both fighters.

But, you been hating on Martinez since he went on Pac. So that is why you have an agenda right now. And, that's fine with me. Which is why I would end this debate with you.

Have a good one Baracuda.

the reason we have to not count the the other wins becuase like i said it would just even things out...count the wins that separates the fighters.... id ont even deny hatin on martinez but im setting a side that bs , and so far i havent said anything irrational againts sergio....but if thats how you feel , fine....lol at baracuda...have a good one too bro..