Pacquiao is the same exact fighter he was circa 2004

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  • The Gambler1981
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    #61
    Originally posted by puga
    corrles was bigger than everybody else he fought at 130, 135..cotto was running thru everybody too and unlike chico he did'nt have the usual size adavantge....corrales never had a win comparable to a shane mosley ... like i said floyd never had a bettrer win than a cotto win...
    Cotto was not running through everyone like Chico was~

    Cotto is a good win but certainly not the level you are making it out to be~

    The Mosley fight was long before the Manny fight and look at how he looked in his most recent fights to the Manny fight, got stomped by Margarito and didn't look impressive against Clottey (even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding the cut).

    I don't find that very impressive, names are important but it is just as important when you see those names~

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      #62
      Originally posted by The Gambler1981
      Cotto was not running through everyone like Chico was~

      Cotto is a good win but certainly not the level you are making it out to be~

      The Mosley fight was long before the Manny fight and look at how he looked in his most recent fights to the Manny fight, got stomped by Margarito and didn't look impressive against Clottey (even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding the cut).

      I don't find that very impressive, names are important but it is just as important when you see those names~
      yes he was, he did without the size adavntge too......do you know that after pac beat cotto, thats when steward considered pac a top 5 atg?..that right there clearly say that its a great win....i know you dont agree but stewart's credibilty ****s on yours and mine.....ctoo got stomped only once before pac fought him....he struggled vs clottey but look what clottey did to chico....lol

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        #63
        Originally posted by puga
        yes he was, he did without the size adavntge too......do you know that after pac beat cotto, thats when steward considered pac a top 5 atg?..that right there clearly say that its a great win....i know you dont agree but stewart's credibilty ****s on yours and mine.....ctoo got stomped only once before pac fought him....he struggled vs clottey but look what clottey did to chico....lol
        So what about a size advantage~ Floyd overcame that and smashed him.

        I don't care about what talking heads say~ I deal with what I think and believe not what others think or believe.


        Cotto is a good win but it is not like you are making it out to be.

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          #64
          Originally posted by The Gambler1981
          So what about a size advantage~ Floyd overcame that and smashed him.

          I don't care about what talking heads say~ I deal with what I think and believe not what others think or believe.


          Cotto is a good win but it is not like you are making it out to be.
          ofcourese floyd should beat him...even smaller guy in casamayor stopped him...lol....i know you dont care but no one cares about our opinions here....but a guy like stweart, lampley, merchant, sayin it's a great win, that something else....cotto was better than just a good win.....floyd's win over shane is a good win, pac's win over cotto is a great win.....

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            #65
            If he the ***ing same exact fighter..

            Why in the **** are *****s crying about OST!!!



            damn people on this site are ******!!!

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              #66
              Originally posted by puga
              ofcourese floyd should beat him...even smaller guy in casamayor stopped him...lol....i know you dont care but no one cares about our opinions here....but a guy like stweart, lampley, merchant, sayin it's a great win, that something else....cotto was better than just a good win.....floyd's win over shane is a good win, pac's win over cotto is a great win.....
              Those guys say a lot of things do you believe them all 100% of the time~ you get told what to think I think for myself that is the difference between me and you and for the record many people do listen to what I have to say as long as I am not being a jerk.

              His win over Cotto is a good win, he would have to be a great fighter for it to be a great win and he isn't a great fighter especially at that point.

              It is a good win you are just over blowing it

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                #67
                Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                Those guys say a lot of things do you believe them all 100% of the time~ you get told what to think I think for myself that is the difference between me and you and for the record many people do listen to what I have to say as long as I am not being a jerk.

                His win over Cotto is a good win, he would have to be a great fighter for it to be a great win and he isn't a great fighter especially at that point.

                It is a good win you are just over blowing it
                i dont believ its a great win just becuase they said it...i believe its a great win becuase it is, like it or not....what, you have to beat a great to call it a great win?.....if so , floyd does'nt have a great win then?....lol.....it's also a great win becuase pac made history ,becoming the only man to win 7 div titles ..... how anyone say it aint a great win is beyond me...

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
                  Its easy to look like a 2 handed fighter when you are fighting Joshua Clottey and a vast array of shot washed up fighters not so easy against prime hall of famers like Morales and Marquez


                  actually, he's worse...i'm with you dude...the higher he climbed the ranks, the worse he got


                  to be honest, he's absolutely terrible now...i dont know how any commission can sanction this guy in the ring...he's gonna get killed out there...he shouldn't even be allowed to box because he sucks so bad

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                  • The Gambler1981
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by puga
                    i dont believ its a great win just becuase they said it...i believe its a great win becuase it is, like it or not....what, you have to beat a great to call it a great win?.....if so , floyd does'nt have a great win then?....lol.....it's also a great win becuase pac made history ,becoming the only man to win 7 div titles ..... how anyone say it aint a great win is beyond me...
                    Corrales was closer to great when Floyd fought him than Cotto was and so was JLC.

                    Simple Cotto isn't a great fighter especially when you look at his situation going in so it isn't a great win~ your listing of things that really have nothing to do with the fighter at hand does nothing to make me change my stance on the fight

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Mannie Phresh
                      no hes better but he has certainly dropped the quality of opponents since the marquez fight of 08
                      Cotto>>>JMM. JMM is overrated in terms of his ranking p4p. who did he beat a very good or a good fighter CONVINCINGLY? thats right. NONE. he fought good fighters like Chris John but couldnt even dominate him. he beat a shot to ***** Barrera in a close fight. he lost all rounds against Floyd and had a close fight against Pac. those are the fighters JMM fought who were a good to great boxers. if JMM was so good he should have dominated Chris John, a shot Barrera.

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