Comments Thread For: Klitschko in Play? Warren Grabs David Haye's May 21 Date

[hweightblogger]

I, for example do not see it that way, I see Peter walking through 5-6 punches Haye throws at him, catching him hard enough for Haye to go to the ropes and Peter mauling and rabbit punching Haye into oblivion.

Although I usually agree with Dave Rado I think that BrooklynBomber has a point.

So far Haye's heavyweight career has been utterly inconclusive and the Ruiz fight exposed him (although he won in the end). Haye was seriously tagged by Ruiz.

I just rewatched the Haye-Ruiz fight. The only impressive thing was the KD in round #1. Other than that Haye showed a very mediocre performance: Tons of missed punches, rabbit punches, being a frighteningly easy target to hit. I was not impressed at all and it seems that Haye has hardly any reaction: He moves well until you notice that he moves pre-emptively and not because of reflexes.

He was hit so often by Ruiz that had it been punches by Wlad Haye would been KOed in round #2.

[Jim Jeffries]

Wlad wasn't the underdog, although it's true that some picked Peter to win (see for instance, the boxingscene staff picks here - a clear majority picked Wlad, although a fair number picked Peter). However, that was a very different version of Wlad from the fighter he is today - Wlad has improved dramatically since then. The version of Peter who rematched Wlad was not much worse than the version in their first fight - Peter trained harder than he had in years for the rematch, and he went into their second fight genuinely believing he could win it; but the new Wlad was able to control the fight with his jab in a way the earlier Wlad was incapable of.

But Peter at his best is a slow, one-dimensional fighter, who moves in straight lines. Haye is none of those things. Haye has plenty of flaws, but he has good lateral movement, good footwork, good head movement, he throws punches from unexpected angles, he is a million times faster than Peter, and has even more power than Peter.

Haye would easily outbox Peter from the outside if they ever fought.

Wlad will almost certainly knock Haye out, IMO, but Haye will give Wlad a far tougher fight than Peter did in the rematch.

Are you sure about the odds?

Current fight betting odds list Samuel Peter as the favorite with a price tag of -167. This ofcourse makes Wladimir the underdog at +157 odds.

http://www.ultimatecapper.com/peter-klitschko-betting.htm

Keep in mind that Peter was undefeated and Wlad had been TKOd in 2 of his last 6 at the time.

[Pirao]

Are you sure about the odds?

Current fight betting odds list Samuel Peter as the favorite with a price tag of -167. This ofcourse makes Wladimir the underdog at +157 odds.

http://www.ultimatecapper.com/peter-klitschko-betting.htm

Keep in mind that Peter was undefeated and Wlad had been TKOd in 2 of his last 6 at the time.

That's what I remembered too, thanks for saving me the time to search for it

[hweightblogger]

Are you sure about the odds?

Current fight betting odds list Samuel Peter as the favorite with a price tag of -167. This ofcourse makes Wladimir the underdog at +157 odds.

http://www.ultimatecapper.com/peter-klitschko-betting.htm

Keep in mind that Peter was undefeated and Wlad had been TKOd in 2 of his last 6 at the time.

I also remember that Wlad was the underdog and his career was at a low point and Sam Peter (the next Tyson) his last chance.

[slindee3]

Chisora is a journeyman with 14 fights, in which he has never looked better than a good domestic level fighter. Douglas and Ali were already obviously world class fighters even at the time they won those fights. So yes, it would be an even bigger upset than those three fights, at least outside the UK.

And in terms of dominance of the division over the past five years, Wlad is as dominant as anyone has ever been, barely losing a round in his last ten fights, most of which were against Ring top 10 fighters. I'm not comparing him with them in terms of ATG status: but in terms of dominance, he is certainly more than comparable with them. And all the opponents Wlad has beaten in the last 5 years were better than Chisora. (ATG status can't be meaningfully evaluated in any case until after a fighter has retired - except in the case of real exceptions like Hopkins or Holyfield, because of their age, and their accomplishments over a very long period).



You obviously didn't read my post properly. I said that IF Chisora beat Wlad and became a two belt champion, then and only then, Haye-Chisora would be a huge fight. And that Haye could also choose fight Vitali in July in those circumstances, if he preferred.

And you didn't respond to my invitation to bet.

I read your post perfectly fine. As you said, Chisora is a journeyman and if he beat Wlad it will be pure luck. No one here in the US has ever heard of Chisora until Wlad signed to fight him, so even if he beats Wlad, no one outside of the UK will care about a fight between him and Haye.

I didn't read your post with the offer of a bet but if you read this, I'll take you up on that bet. Let me know.

[Pirao]

I read your post perfectly fine. As you said, Chisora is a journeyman and if he beat Wlad it will be pure luck. No one here in the US has ever heard of Chisora until Wlad signed to fight him, so even if he beats Wlad, no one outside of the UK will care about a fight between him and Haye.

I didn't read your post with the offer of a bet but if you read this, I'll take you up on that bet. Let me know.

Chisora a journeyman? Lol. Me thinks you're not too much of a boxing fan, not even knowing the difference between prospect and journeyman.

[slindee3]

Chisora a journeyman? Lol. Me thinks you're not too much of a boxing fan, not even knowing the difference between prospect and journeyman.

Like I said, no one in the US have ever heard of this guy. I was just repeating what your buddy Dave Rado said.

[Dave Rado]

Chisora a journeyman? Lol. Me thinks you're not too much of a boxing fan, not even knowing the difference between prospect and journeyman.

I don't think Chisora is a serious world title prospect. He got his world ranking entirely on the basis of domestic wins against journeymen like Sexton and a shot Williams; and if you watch his fights, he doesn't have great skills. He does have a high boxrec ranking, which makes it a fight that doesn't entirely lack credibility, but that ranking isn't based on what I regard as real substance. Solis, despite his weight problems, has far better skills than Chisora, IMO.

I do see Chisora as a journeyman, rather than a prospect, at least at world level.

[Dave Rado]

I read your post perfectly fine. As you said, Chisora is a journeyman and if he beat Wlad it will be pure luck. No one here in the US has ever heard of Chisora until Wlad signed to fight him, so even if he beats Wlad, no one outside of the UK will care about a fight between him and Haye.

I didn't read your post with the offer of a bet but if you read this, I'll take you up on that bet. Let me know.

It would certainly be massive in the UK, if he beat Wlad; and the conqueror of the most dominant champion in modern Heavyweight history would get massive worldwide press coverage, so it would be pretty big even in the States.

No one had heard of Hatton outside the UK before he beat Tszyu, but following that win he became an instant worldwide star.

In any case, Chisora has no chance against Wlad.

And as I keep pointing out, even if Chisora did win by a miracle, Haye could choose to fight Vitali in July if he preferred.

In any case, Haye is seemingly about to sign to fight Wlad in July (his own twitter feeds confirm this), even though the Chisora fight is still going ahead. That blows the Chisora excuse out of the water, because if the Chisora fight was a valid reason for Haye not to fight Wlad before, it's just as valid now, and if it were valid now, he wouldn't be about to sign to fight Wlad.

[Dave Rado]

Are you sure about the odds?

Current fight betting odds list Samuel Peter as the favorite with a price tag of -167. This ofcourse makes Wladimir the underdog at +157 odds.

http://www.ultimatecapper.com/peter-klitschko-betting.htm

Keep in mind that Peter was undefeated and Wlad had been TKOd in 2 of his last 6 at the time.

Well it seems from that link that the US betting public bet on Peter (I doubt the European odds were the same as those US ones though), but the boxing experts mostly picked Wlad (see my earlier link to the boxingscene staff picks, which mostly picked Wlad). Even the betting site that you pointed to recommended betting on Wlad.