Comments Thread For: Klitschko in Play? Warren Grabs David Haye's May 21 Date

[Repeddled]

Wlad's chef just said he will be in Austria in May, Where Wlad has his training camp

[Pirao]

Who has Wlad fought that was considered a real test for him? Who has he fought that the public was as interested in as his fight with Haye? Who has he fought that will bring him more money than Haye?

Put your money where your mouth is if you're that crazy about your guy and believe that Haye is helpless, if Wlad ever accepts this fight. 200K on Haye, what do you say?

Many people thought Peter in the 1st fight was going to KO Wlad. And Haye is considered a test for Wlad? Lol give me a break. Only brainwashed brits believe that, everyone else knows this is a mismatch and that Haye will get KTFO.

[Dave Rado]

Many people thought Peter in the 1st fight was going to KO Wlad. And Haye is considered a test for Wlad? Lol give me a break. Only brainwashed brits believe that, everyone else knows this is a mismatch and that Haye will get KTFO.

Are you seriously claiming that Peter would beat Haye? If so, you're in a tiny minority.

[BrooklynBomber]

Are you seriously claiming that Peter would beat Haye? If so, you're in a tiny minority.

A young, hard hitting, hard chinned, come forward fighter who likes to get his opponents on the ropes and beat the snot out of them having bad chances against Haye? Are you kidding me? Haye is not a master of defense the way some people like to put, him against young Peter that Wlad fought the first time is a very tricky fight for Haye.

[Pirao]

Are you seriously claiming that Peter would beat Haye? If so, you're in a tiny minority.

I'm saying Peter was favoured to KO Wlad the 1st time they fought. That guy said Wlad has never been tested, well if beating a guy you're supposed to be the underdog against is not being tested... And I think Sam Peter would have a good chance to beat Haye yes.

[Dave Rado]

I'm saying Peter was favoured to KO Wlad the 1st time they fought. That guy said Wlad has never been tested, well if beating a guy you're supposed to be the underdog against is not being tested... And I think Sam Peter would have a good chance to beat Haye yes.

Wlad wasn't the underdog, although it's true that some picked Peter to win (see for instance, the boxingscene staff picks here - a clear majority picked Wlad, although a fair number picked Peter). However, that was a very different version of Wlad from the fighter he is today - Wlad has improved dramatically since then. The version of Peter who rematched Wlad was not much worse than the version in their first fight - Peter trained harder than he had in years for the rematch, and he went into their second fight genuinely believing he could win it; but the new Wlad was able to control the fight with his jab in a way the earlier Wlad was incapable of.

But Peter at his best is a slow, one-dimensional fighter, who moves in straight lines. Haye is none of those things. Haye has plenty of flaws, but he has good lateral movement, good footwork, good head movement, he throws punches from unexpected angles, he is a million times faster than Peter, and has even more power than Peter.

Haye would easily outbox Peter from the outside if they ever fought.

Wlad will almost certainly knock Haye out, IMO, but Haye will give Wlad a far tougher fight than Peter did in the rematch.

[Pirao]

Wlad wasn't the underdog, although it's true that some picked Peter to win. However, that was a very different version of Wlad from the fighter he is today. He has improved dramatically since then. The version of Peter who rematched Wlad was not much worse than the version in their first fight - Peter trained harder than he had in years for the rematch and he went into the fight genuinely believing he could win it; but the new Wlad was able to control the fight with his jab in a way the earlier Wlad was incapable of.

But Peter at his best is a slow, one-dimensional fighter, who moves in straight lines. Haye is none of those things. Haye has plenty of flaws, but he has good lateral movement, good footwork, good head movement, he throws punches from unexpected angles, he is a million times faster than Peter, and has even more power than Peter.

Haye would easily outbox Peter from the outside if they ever fought.

Wlad will almost certainly knock Haye out, IMO, but Haye will give Wlad a far tougher fight than Peter did in the rematch.

I'm quite sure Wlad was not the favourite for the Peter fight, but I don't feel like searching through all threads right now. Maybe tomorrow.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, I think Wlad's fight against Haye will look like his last fight against Peter (or like his fights for the last couple of years for that matter), which is to say, Wlad winning pretty much every round, battering Haye's face with his jab and KOing him in the 9th or later.

[Dave Rado]

I'm quite sure Wlad was not the favourite for the Peter fight, but I don't feel like searching through all threads right now. Maybe tomorrow.

See the boxingscene staff picks here. A clear majority picked Wlad, although it's true that a fair number picked Peter.

I don't give a damn who the NSB posters picked: most of them could not remotely be described as boxing experts, and many of them regularly pick against the Klitschkos based on their hatred of them, rather than on objective grounds. But the clear majority of professional boxing writers picked Wlad.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, I think Wlad's fight against Haye will look like his last fight against Peter (or like his fights for the last couple of years for that matter), which is to say, Wlad winning pretty much every round, battering Haye's face with his jab and KOing him in the 9th or later.

The vast majority of boxing experts think Haye will be Wlad's most serious test so far, although they almost all pick Wlad to win. And all boxing experts, without a single exception that I know of, rate Haye far higher than Peter.

I'm not saying Wlad won't win pretty much every round - he probably will; but Haye will still pose a threat level that Wlad hasn't had to face for many years, due to his combination of speed, power, and lateral movement. None of Wlad's previous opponents have had all three (not since Sanders, anyway). If Haye had the skills to negate a world class jab, he'd have a serious chance, but sadly for him, the Ruiz fight proved he lacks that vital skill.

[Dave Rado]

A young, hard hitting, hard chinned, come forward fighter who likes to get his opponents on the ropes and beat the snot out of them having bad chances against Haye? Are you kidding me? Haye is not a master of defense the way some people like to put, him against young Peter that Wlad fought the first time is a very tricky fight for Haye.

Tricky, but Haye would outbox him from the outside. Peter is too one-dimensional to expose Haye. It would be like Khan-Maidana except that Haye would win more easily than Khan did (P4P, Maidana is a much better pressure fighter than Peter ever was); plus Haye has enough power to KO Peter in the late rounds.

[BrooklynBomber]

Tricky, but Haye would outbox him from the outside. Peter is too one-dimensional to expose Haye. It would be like Khan-Maidana except that Haye would win more easily than Khan did, plus Haye has enough power to KO Peter in the late rounds.

That all is very subjective, I, for example do not see it that way, I see Peter walking through 5-6 punches Haye throws at him, catching him hard enough for Haye to go to the ropes and Peter mauling and rabbit punching Haye into oblivion. What you overlook is that Haye is not nearly as fast as he is considered and Peter is not nearly as slow. Peter is crude as hell, but also strong and dirty. Peter for Haye will be a much harder fight then for any version of Wlad, because he simply won't have any sort of jab to keep Peter at bay and his athletism won't get him the same results as against much much older, lighter punching opponents that he fought. The guys who actually managed to beat Peter all had one thing in common, good ability to fight behind the jab, Haye does not have that ability, he is no Roy Jones as he would like to present himself.