Latest Ring Magazine Rankings, Donaire OVERTAKES Martinez and JMM to grab #3 spot....

[jrosales13]

Montiel and Darchinyan are both future Hall of Famers, and Donaire beat them in their primes.

Williams and Pavlik can't really be classed as future HoF'ers yet (especially Williams).

prime-Montiel + prime-Darchinyan > prime-Williams + prime-Pavlik.

Donaire's resume > Martinez's

If Darchinyan is a HOF'er then so is Pavlik and P-Will.

FFS's...No Darchinyan is not a HOF'er at all. Not even close, it shouldn't even be considered at all.

Montiel is pushing it for HOF inductee...He can be considered for one. Maybe be in a ballot. But, I wouldn't vote for him to get in either.

Resume wise Donaire and Martinez are pretty equal...There resume could go either way.

However, I would say this Pavlik and Martinez back-to-back>Darchinyan and Montiel 3 years apart.

But, overall resume is pretty equal...You could go either way.

[jrosales13]

No, I'm not. It only makes sense that I use ring magazine's own damn ratings to see how much a win is worth for their own damn list. Martinez beats the #4 in the ring list and Donaire beats the #7 in the ring list. By using ring magazine's own criteria of who's p4p, how does Donaire surpassing Martinez make any sense? #4 > #7

And, what is the ring own criteria in ranking P4P?

Does it say in their criteria if you beat somebody lower in the P4P ranking you can't jump up somebody higher?

Are you also taking into account where they were rank prior of said victory?

For example Donaire was already ranked #5, pretty high, prior to facing Montiel. And, before that was ranked #4 by the ring. Where was Martinez ranked prior to facing P-Will?

That should also be taking into account if you're going by the ring ranking and question their ranking.

Fact is it is an opinion based, mythical ranking. That is not even controlled by one person. It is controlled by a panel of members.

[Kagami Taiga]

Yea, if you really don't know Wonjongkam is then you shouldn't give your opinion on the matter.

I lmao. Hard.

[Rome-By-Ko]

witter wasnt really dominated but thats forgivable seeing as bradley was green when he beat him. alexander wasnt dominated either, holt was and campbell complained like a little b1tch. ranked or not most of those fighters had tomato cans on their resume

khan is the last man standing and is likely to beat bradley too which is the main reason panda doesnt feel bradley belongs in the p4p top 10

Devon was def dominated,or I should say just did not come to fight..Be honest how many rds did you give to Devon before the fight was stopped??I gave him two and that is very kind..I agree tho Bradley has to beat Khan to really show he belongs with the elite..But I also think he has done enough to be right where he belongs on the P4P list,Bradley has defeated top fighters in his div and is undefeated..He belongs right where he is at..

[tibbar]

I dont agree. One fight should not do that.

Not for nothing and not on a racist rant but ANY POLL THAT INVOLVES a Filipino boxer in here.....I dont respect the poll.

In my years in here I have noticed that they have the most alts in here.... and vote with their flag before their brain.

stop the hating

[FightFreak]

If Darchinyan is a HOF'er then so is Pavlik and P-Will.

FFS's...No Darchinyan is not a HOF'er at all. Not even close, it shouldn't even be considered at all.

Montiel is pushing it for HOF inductee...He can be considered for one. Maybe be in a ballot. But, I wouldn't vote for him to get in either.

Resume wise Donaire and Martinez are pretty equal...There resume could go either way.

However, I would say this Pavlik and Martinez back-to-back>Darchinyan and Montiel 3 years apart.

But, overall resume is pretty equal...You could go either way.

Have to disagree with this. Based on their accomplishments, both Darchi and Montiel deserve to at least be on the HOF ballot when their time comes. You just can't say the same for Pavlik and Williams. Darchi + Montiel > Pavlik + Williams, jro, and there really shouldn't be questions about that part of the argument.

That said, you made a good point about Sergio facing Pavlik and Williams one after another, while Darchi and Montiel took Nonito almost four years. Plus Sergio took out the Frog right before that, who outboxed Perro and therefore proved to be a player at JMW.

Rold voted based more on what his eyes told him. I say let the resume be the end all, be all of P4P and ATG rankings.

As an aside, Sergio is about to face a JMW champ at MW, and I'm not too sure how much credit people should give him for that one.

[Born2Live]

He doesn't belong higher then Martinez, Martinez was the under dog against Pavlik & K.O'd a tough chin Williams & arugably won their first fight, Donaire hasn't done nothing of that stature, he should be #4

[Pacquiao'd]

the ring sucks

[Mr. Invincible]

Nope, he's #4.

[ronnie_N.]

He doesn't belong higher then Martinez, Martinez was the under dog against Pavlik & K.O'd a tough chin Williams & arugably won their first fight, Donaire hasn't done nothing of that stature, he should be #4

donaire was the underdog against darchinyan & KO'd a tough montiel who was never been stopped in his entire career... martinez should be #5...

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