Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao: I'll Fight Mayweather, The Fans Want It

[LeadUppercut]

your problem is similar to that of lead. you confuse OPINIONS with FACTS.

lead thinks that floyd's resume is better than Pac's. no problem there. its when he prances around stating his opinions as fact that makes him and by extension you, look ******.

The point is, I don't actually care who's resume is better.

ADP shoulda said " Manny is a phenom, and he makes better fights ".

Then I couldn't have argued with him

The fact is, Mayflower's resume is better at " 147 "..... than Manny's.

It's just that right now, Mayflower doesn't like fighting, and Manny does. But that doesn't mean you have to sit there and listen to all that "Manny is superman, and he leaps tall buildings in a single bound" rubbish.

[LeadUppercut]

After 6rds, I have 60-53 Leaduppercut, the 5th rd KD has given him a large lead. His powerpunches(FACTS) appear to be wearing down the newb pacq fans. I expect a stoppage soon or just maybe even a "no mas"(ignore) by the 9th rd.

The Pac / Mayweather thing.....

I would have Mayweather a big favorite heading into that fight, as would most I imagine..... but I definitely see Pac give Floyd problems with his speed/aggression. That's why this fight is intriguing.

Will Mayweather's skills/timing/defence, counter Manny's speed/aggression/footwork?

I just want Manny to fight JMM at 140 first

That fight would be.....

* at 135..... excellent - but impossible - Manny should not be required to make LW
.
* at 140..... still ok - heavily favoring Manny, but JMM deserves the payday, and opportunity

* at 147..... rubbish - a mismatch

[AFighter4U]

The point is, I don't actually care who's resume is better.

ADP shoulda said " Manny is a phenom, and he makes better fights ".

Then I couldn't have argued with him

The fact is, Mayflower's resume is better at " 147 "..... than Manny's.

It's just that right now, Mayflower doesn't like fighting, and Manny does. But that doesn't mean you have to sit there and listen to all that "Manny is superman, and he leaps tall buildings in a single bound" rubbish.

personally, i do not see the wisdom of comparing two fighters based on one single weight in their entire career.

and even then, people would have varying opinions in the matter.

also, when you say "147", are you referring to the weight class, or the exact weight of 147? cuz i seriously doubt if either pac nor floyd jr ever fought at that exact weight or fought an opponent who weighed exactly at 147 at fight night.

and why limit their comparison to exacly 147?

it would be just as silly as comparing two pictures based only on a portion of each picture, and not the entire thing. and as i said earlier since its mostly subjective, you would still have people who would disagree.

[LeadUppercut]

personally, i do not see the wisdom of comparing two fighters based on one single weight in their entire career.

and even then, people would have varying opinions in the matter.

also, when you say "147", are you referring to the weight class, or the exact weight of 147? cuz i seriously doubt if either pac nor floyd jr ever fought at that exact weight or fought an opponent who weighed exactly at 147 at fight night.

and why limit their comparison to exacly 147?

it would be just as silly as comparing two pictures based only on a portion of each picture, and not the entire thing. and as i said earlier since its mostly subjective, you would still have people who would disagree.

This shouldn't be too confusing for you man.....

We are talking about the welterweight limit here.

Who cares what the fighters actually weighed ?

FACT : The only ww that Manny has EVER fought at 147 is.....
.......... Josh " the punching bag " Clottey.

Wake up.

Hoya was a shrink-wrapped JMW, cheato and Cotto were catchweights.

What's so hard to figure out man? What are you having trouble with?

This issue is as basic as you can get, and not even slightly debatable.

The excuses / dribble from you and ADP has been ridiculous.

"twists", "adjectives", "distortion of facts".....

You, as a Manny fan, is mostly to blame for this.

YOU accepted the catch-weight for Cotto, YOU accepted the catch-weight vacant JMW title fight for cheato..... and now YOU seem to struggle to understand how the significant number of "advantages" afforded to Manny for those three fights, significantly diminished his achievements.

While you fan's accept that rubbish, you can expect criticism and debate.

[straightleft]

Floyd fans blindly defending him all the way but at the end they fighting a losing battle. Pac in 1 year plus at welterweight he already fought Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley while Floyd in 6 years there.....I don't waste my saliva to say this when everyone knows already about it except his fans.

[LeadUppercut]

Floyd fans blindly defending him all the way but at the end they fighting a losing battle. Pac in 1 year plus at welterweight he already fought Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley while Floyd in 6 years there.....I don't waste my saliva to say this when everyone knows already about it except his fans.

" I don't waste my saliva to say this "

Just what I thought, more dribble

Then, point out what you think is inaccurate.....

FACT : The only ww that Manny has EVER fought at 147 is.....
.......... Josh " the punching bag " Clottey.

Mayweather fought Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Mosley..... I don't count Hatton or Marquez as WW.

So, let's summarize.....

Above 147.....
Manny fought faded no-wraps cheato at catch-weight, Floyd fought Hoya at 154 when he was champ, no comparison there.

At 147.....
Clottey, who wouldn't fight back for some reason, faded Cotto at 145, and shrink-wrapped Hoya..... is not as good as Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Mosley, Hatton, and Marquez.

[LeadUppercut]

I'll even throw in some " adjectives ".....

FACT : The only ww that Manny has EVER fought at 147 is.....
.......... Josh " the punching bag " Clottey.

Mayweather fought Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Mosley.....
I don't count Hatton or Marquez as WW.

So, let's summarize.....

Above 147.....
Manny fought faded no-wraps cheato at catch-weight, Floyd fought faded Hoya at 154 when he was champ, no comparison there.

At 147.....
Clottey, who wouldn't fight back for some reason, faded Cotto at 145, and shrink-wrapped Hoya..... is not as good as Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, faded Mosley, Hatton, and faded outmatched Marquez.

[ADP02]

Just like I thought, YOU ARE TWISTING IT! YOU ARE TRULY BEING DISHONEST.


1) TO TRY to DEFEND yourself you said these smokescreens:

a) You said, "My post is in reply to a statement that Manny had "cleaned out" the welterweight division."

BUT you also bring up Mayweather vs Oscar and Manny vs Margarito. Was that you replying to "cleaning out the WW division"???? JUST WOW!

b) You are continuously posting these points. You just needed to post it once IF its a reply BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT you issued a challenge when you said "refute anything in this post that is even slightly inaccurate....."

c) You TWISTED what I said on numerous occasions and ran with it. See below for LeadUPPERCUT's TWISTs ....


2) Mosley will be on Manny's RESUME very soon:
Please read my post. I NEVER SAID the word "win". YOU DID like 5 times!!! More smokescreens placed by LeadUpperCut!!! ... lol!!!!
No its not about me bringing up Mosley, its about you not acknowledging that Manny will be fighting Mosley very soon. This will be on his resume right? My point was that you didn't acknowledge that FACT because you wanted to say, Floyd fought these guys at WW and Manny only fought these other guys.


Again, before you twist it again, all I'm saying is that you could have, at the very least, acknowledged that Mosley would be fighting Manny in your points.


SIDE NOTE: As for your "win" or "lose" and "disservice" comment. Disservice made me laugh the most, as you already have made up your mind and stated on many many occasions that Manny is cherry picking and this will be an easy win for Manny. Right? If you are so sure then you might as well add that "win" to Manny's resume! lol! .... Hey twister, personally, I can wait 2 months for the results. Got it?



3) You said, "I did include Hoya".
You included Oscar but you also TWISTED it up buddy. How? You say Clottey is the only guy that Manny fought at 147 JUST TO MAKE YOUR TWISTED POINT (LAME BUDDY) BUT then you add that list of names to Floyd????

EXAMPLE 1: Mitchell at WW - If Oscar hadn't fought at WW for a long time, how about Mitchell's accomplishments? Is he a career WW in your eyes? How many wins at WW before Floyd? 5? 4? 3? 2? How many against good WW? 5? 4? 3? 2? 1? 0!!! ..... See what I mean?


EXAMPLE 2: You remove Cotto from the list because he came in at 145 but so did 4 of 6 from Floyd's list BUT that didn't stop you from including some of them. TWISTED & LAME!



4) You said, "Clottey, who wouldn't fight back for some reason". That is a "NOOB" type analysis, my friend. Anyhow, just turn it around and presume it was Floyd that fought Clottey. What would you have said? "Floyd blanked Clottey." "Floyd fought a masterpiece." "Floyd mesmerized a tough Clottey who gave Cotto, Margarito and Judah a tough fight.... Floyd made it look easy".


5) You keep on saying the word "FACTS": I have said this to you before. They are only your points/opinions NOT facts!!!


6) You said "Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Mosley, Hatton, and Marquez..... would likely ALL beat the shot, drained, 145lb, shrink-wrapped Hoya that fought Manny."

and you say that I don't know boxing? lol!!! I can't stop laughing.
Just so you learn some: Oscar wanted to gain speed against the faster Manny, so he came down to 145 instead of coming in at 147 (and gaining fight night). That was Oscar's mistake because, Manny still had the huge speed and mobility advantage but in some ways, Oscar lost his size advantage .... BUT whatever the reason was, OScar would have used a different strategy against those other guys that you "think" can beat Oscar.

Remember that his prior fight, Oscar came in at 150 and won. So 147 was not impossible, if he did it right.

- BALDOMIR: If Oscar would have fought slow-turtle Baldomir, Oscar would have had a different strategy and come in at 147 and gained another ~10lbs at fight night. Oscar would also have the reach, height, speed, skills, experience, size and even age advantage. I told you that Baldomir hadn't won another WW fight after winning against the non-WW fighter Gatti..... In 2006!!!! .... and you say that you know boxing? PLEASE!!!

- Mitchell: PLEASE!!! This guy can't beat good WW. Never did, never will! This guy hasn't fought in like 5 years and you say that you know boxing? PLEASE!!! A few YEARS earlier when Sharmba fought Floyd, Sharmba said in the PRE-FIGHT conference, "Floyd's crafty. He reminds me of myself coming up, when I was younger, the THINGS I USED TO DO." The older Sharmba said, "the things I Used to do?" lol!!! Great guy for your resume, huh? lol!

- Marquez: Who has Marquez beat at 140+ yet you say he would KO Oscar? At 147, Marquez's punches would tickle Oscar. It would have been a different fight. KO? You said you know boxing? Geez!!!!
You need much more than an uppercut for saying Marquez KOs Oscar. You might as well KO yourself into the front row seats ala Cintron! Geeez!!!

- At 147, those guys you listed couldn't hold Manny's jock-strap. Yet, you try to bring down Manny's accomplishment (moving up 3 divisions minus 1 fight)? Manny still had to do what Manny (perfect fight plan execution) did or else that fight against Oscar could have been different. Manny made it look easy but you thought Baldomir could have done that? NO WAY!!!



7) Its funny that you can mention the fictitious win of Sharmba and Baldomir over Oscar but you avoid a FACT that CAN'T BE DISPUTED .... that is more TWISTS and DISHONESTY by LeadUpperCut, man!!! Clottey and Cotto beat Judah and Cotto beat Mosley. So again, if you remove Mosley and Judah, who is left on Floyd's resume?



8) The biggest DISHONESTY of them all: You continuously make a BIG DEAL that Oscar and Cotto came in 2lbs under 147 AND Clottey is the only 147lb Manny fought but you say, "Who cares how much Marquez, Hatton, Mitchell, Judah weighed against Floyd?" TWISTED buddy, just TWISTED!!! AND you avoid the other FACTS that I stated about them 4.
- That they either just came up from 135 and 140 to fight Floyd at 147 (3 of them did!!!)
- That they dropped back down to 135 and 140 because they couldn't beat good WW (3 of them did!!!)
- All 4 had bad records against good WW.
- 3 of those 4 fighters had a total of 2 fights at 147 before fighting Floyd.
- Judah, at WW, lost to Baldomir (lol) just before fighting Floyd. Judah also lost to Clottey, Cotto, Spinks, Floyd ... then went down to 140!!!
- Question: So what makes you think that these 4 fighters make Floyd's resume look so good to you?


9) Please continue to be dishonest and therefore continue to believe that Floyd's resume is better at WW ..... but even with your dishonesty, you will need to rethink your strategy in a couple of months because "soon" will have past.



10) You said, "Hoya was not a welterweight you noob, he hadn't fought there for SEVEN YEARS." You either can't read or unfortunately can't comprehend. TAKE YOUR PICK!!! I told you from the beginning that you are TWISTING things to try to make Floyd's resume appear better. I made it clear enough that most people would understand. Unfortunately, you didn't get it like most people would.

I SAID, If you don't add Oscar (as a WW) then you shouldn't add some of those names that you listed as true WW on Floyd's side. For example, While Oscar used to be a WW, Mitchell was NEVER a career WW.

Another point: Oscar had won at 150lbs just months prior to the Manny fight. So most boxing Noobs, I mean, experts had Oscar beating Manny at 147, as Manny was 1 fight from climbing 3 divisions. It's easy being an expert AFTER the fight, like you are doing! lol!



11) Initially, you hadn't added Oscar as part of Manny's resume. I met your challenge and I pointed it out. You admitted it but you are ignoring that fact now and stating "ADP02 I bet you can't refute any inaccuracies". That is again lame and dishonest BECAUSE I DID ALREADY!!!



12) Floyd had since late 2005 to make his WW resume be what it is today. For most, to have that much time and have only that list of fighters to show for is what one would call a complete failure. Manny started 3 years later and also fought twice (Floyd did too once) outside of WW. So when someone would look and see what he accomplished at WW in that short of a time, they would undoubtedly say that Manny's resume looks better.


13) TWISTED: If you need to do what you do (eg. Clottey, the only one at 147) to "TRY" to make another fighters resume "appear" to be better then all you have is an agenda (hater)


14) Again, you said "and to refute anything in this post that is even slightly inaccurate....."
I have done it on more than 1 occasion now. I would categorize some as HUGE inaccuracies and some slight inaccuracies".

[Squizz]

I'm just dying to see Manny fight someone outside of Top Rank who isn't there just to collect a paycheck. I hope Mosley brings the fight, but I have a feeling uncle Bob has other plans. This fight will never get made so long as Bob Arum is Manny's promoter. Manny clearly states: "You know, I'm not picking my opponents."

Arum wants nothing to do with Floyd, and Floyd wants nothing to do with Arum. This fight will never get made. This much, I am sure of.

[ManOfVictory]

Just take the tests Manny.

And lol @ "I don't pick my opponents"

Yet Bob said he presented Pacquiao with 3 different fighters, Mosley, Berto and Marquez, and he didn't pick the young undefeated guy, he didn't pick the guy who fought to a draw with him and a lost a close SD, he picked Shane Mosley, a guy coming off a loss and a draw against Mora and is closer to 40 than the other two fighters.

Yeah, you don't pick your opponents.