Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao: I'll Fight Mayweather, The Fans Want It

[boxingfan76]

It's also not required by any boxing comission so we shouldn't even be discussing compromising on the subject to begin with.

Kinda funny how Floyd wasn't so concerned with so called cleaning up the sport in any of his previous fights. He had no choice for the Mosley fight because negotiations with Pac already fell through where all this started and he would have looked like an even bigger hypocrite had he not asked it of Shane.

He never required this in any previous fight because his camp started this whole PED bull**** with absolutely NO PROOF because they knew Top Rank and Manny would never concede on principal alone, and try to put up the smoke screen and take the blame off Floyd wants to make it seem like he is trying to get this fight done, but deep down he wants nothing to do woth it. He is all about protecting his " 0 "

Floyd is the one with the long history of avoiding tough opponents in there prime. If he was so concerned with cleaning up the sport he would have been making the request for this testing throughout his career and not in specific cases, where the public is demanding him fight Manny at Manny's peak. The whole cleaning up the sport **** is bull**** and the sad thing is some people actually believe him. Bottom line Floyd doesn't want this fight and never did, because it is to much of a risk tohis 0.

pac doesnt want the fight either, because he wont take the tests, really when has pac fought a single guy in their prime ever??? pac isnt the better fighter, he fought barrera after barrera had 60 fights.morales after 50 fights, hatton, cotto, margs, now mosley, delahoya, gimme a break dude, if anyone is about ducking and chickening out of a challenge every time one comes up its manroid.

[Aut_72]

a 7 day cut off is better than an 18 day cut off.

Sorry if I insult you but you are a moron

[littlemac]

really?.....is that why he said he'll take a year or two time off?....lol

Whats the difference if Manny isn't agreeing to testing. Very simple. Manny agrees and they will have a fight. Not complicated.

[I_like_wendys]

there's a difference between "random" and "lack of foreknowledge".

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Originally Posted by QADASHBANYAH Okay slowmo, I will take it easy on you.. No where in shane/floyd's contract was there a 18 day cut off... It was no where to be found.... Its not even logical to think they will test them everyday...... THE CONTRACT STATED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING RANDOM: Without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way: Contestants were chosen at random from the studio audience. DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT RANDOM MEANS? THERE IS NO SPECIFIC DATE!!! MANNY IS ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC DATE. THIS **** BY DEFINITION MEANS MANNY IS NOT WILLING TO TAKE RANDOM BLOOD TEST! Everytime you spout that x18 day nonsense, I ask myself does this guy know what RANDOM MEANS??? EVER PLAYED A FIGHTING GAME (SAY MORTAL KOMBAT) AND 'RANDOM SELECTED' A CHARACTER?? THE POINT IS YOU DONT KNOW WHO ITS GOING TO BE OR WHAT FIGHTER THE CURSOR WILL SELECT.You dont even know how many times the cursor will move until it selects someone. This is random!!! So please stop saying the 18 day nonsense, since you now have teh definition to RANDOM.... IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. DONT BE WILLFULLY IGNORANT MY DUDE, BECAUSE YOU LIKE A FIGHTER. Manny wants a guaranteed cutoff day !!!!! Do you understand the difference??? Each day shane and floyd was expecting them to show up, even if they didnt.. Thats the thing about RANDOM.... They could show up at any time!!! AT ANY TIME!!!! MANNY WAS TRYING TO CONTROL THE TESTING... WHY WOULD HE WANT TO CONTROL TESTING?? BECAUSE THATS THE WAY CHEATING IS DONE. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO CATCH A THIEF, YOU DONT TELL HIM WHAT TIME YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR HIM DO YOU?

wow... you're so ****in dumb... you had the definition of "random" in your post, but then you go and define "random" as something else... let's review

The defiintion of random as posted by you:
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RANDOM: Without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way:

here's you redefining what "random" means to fit your agenda.
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THE POINT IS YOU DONT KNOW WHO ITS GOING TO BE OR WHAT FIGHTER THE CURSOR WILL SELECT.You dont even know how many times the cursor will move until it selects someone.

"without adherence to prior arrangement" is not the same as "without prior foreknowledge".

"without adherence to prior arrangement" entails "without prior foreknowledge", but "without prior foreknowledge" does not entail "without adherence to prior arrangement".

in laymans terms, just cause you didn't know something was gonna happen doesn't mean that ***** was random.

for the wifebeater/mosley fight, the testing was not "random". True, wifebeater and mosley didn't have foreknowledge, but the blood testing was prearranged. "how so?" you may ask... simple, the USDA prearranged the cut off date for bloodtesting mosley at 18 days and 19 for wifebeater. the USDA prearranged the times when they were gonna come bloodtest wifebeater and mosley. that doesn't sound "random" to me.

"But wifebeater and mosley didn't know when they were gonna be bloodtested?" you ask? true, but once again lack of foreknowledge is not the same thing as lack of prearrangement.

now how does this apply to a 7 day cut off for pac/trollweather if the fight ever comes off?

it's simple. pac and maytroller will not have foreknowledge of any impending pre-arranged bloodtesting through out their entire training camp up until 7 days before the fight. They will know that there won't be any bloodtesting in the 7 days before the fight, but they will not know when any impending pre-arranged urine testing will occur during that time.

"but what if pac or wifebeater take PEDs within those 7 days" you ask? I will answer that question with a few questions: How many PEDS can pac or wifebeater take that will actually be effective within a 7 day window in time to help them in the fight (give me a list)? And of those PEDs that you give, how many of them can thwart the urine-testing in those 7 days and immediately after the fight? how many of those PEDs can thwart a blood-test given immediately after the fight? Given that 7 days prior to the fight when the training camp has already winded down and the boxers are in heavy promotion is taking PEDs in those 7 days even going to help?

Now, if you can answer all those questions, I will be able to answer the question "but what if pac or wifebeater take PEDs within those 7 days".

Therefore, I re-assert my position that a 7 day cut off is superior to an 18 day cut off in that bloodtesting can be done up to 7 days before the fight rather than 18 days before the fight.

thank you, come again.

This is the ******est argument for letting the OST have a cutoff date that I've ever heard.

Then just have the ****ing Random like Floyd and Shane did, since they'll cut it off at 18 days any damn way.

BTW that's the ****ing point.

Who gives a **** about if the USDA cuts off at 24 days, 18 days, 12 days or whenever as long as

1. They are ALLOWED to test to the day of.

2. Neither Fighter has prior Knowledge.

That's the whole point Moron.

That Neither fighter has any idea when the testing stops, if at all.

All those posts, just so you could tell everyone how thick and biased you are.

[puga]

Do you think "anytime,anywhere" means 24 days. So now its 7 days so going by Pac arithmetic am not sure what that 7 days translates to.

wtf you talking about now?....7 days , 6 days, 5 days ...i dont give a ****...bottomline is we would'nt be having this convo if floyd was willing to fight under commission testing just like everybody else....

[littlemac]

Sorry if I insult you but you are a moron

He/She already insulted himself with that post so no need to feel bad about it.

[puga]

Whats the difference if Manny isn't agreeing to testing. Very simple. Manny agrees and they will have a fight. Not complicated.

what makes you think floyd will not change his mind ...he came from 14 day to no cutoff in no time......

[littlemac]

wtf you talking about now?....7 days , 6 days, 5 days ...i dont give a ****...bottomline is we would'nt be having this convo if floyd was willing to fight under commission testing just like everybody else....

I wouldn't give a **** either, but they said they had agreed before only to back out when it was time to sign.

I see. Lets go only by the commission standard rules as long as its not Manny. When Manny asks for commission standards modifications for his title matches. Its ok because both parties involved agreed to them RIGHT?! lol............

[LeadUppercut]

I would say that his reluctance for taking random blood testing is one piece of evidence. They always say in the USA that people are innocent until proven guilty. This is false. You always look guilty until you take certain tests. Example of this is Mark McGwire. McGwire always said that he was not taking any PEDs but in the end, he had to confess because it was always eating away at him.

Look at Lance Armstrong. Dude is always hounded by steriod allegations. The problem is that he always is taking random drug tests and passing them.

Just flip the script. If Team Pacquiao and Team Mayweather were in negotiations and Pacquiao's team says, "We want Floyd to undergo strict, random, olympic style blood and urine testing before the fight." And if Floyd says, "No, I am clean and all my blood and urine tests before every fight, I am clean. Check the tests." Wouldn't that draw your ire and say, "Why doesn't he just want to take the blood tests?"

Solid post.

And note this guys sig.....

" ex-fan of both Floyd and Manny "

[puga]

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I wouldn't give a **** either, but they said they had agreed before only to back out when it was time to sign.

I see. Lets go only by the commission standard rules as long as its not Manny. When Manny asks for commission standards modifications for his title matches. Its ok because both parties involved agreed to them RIGHT?! lol............

pacquiao agreed then backed out?....lol...thats news to me...youre making up **** now.....if youre talking about catcweight, it has always been part of boxing regulations, ..even floyd had a catchweight fight....