D.Rafael: "Floyd would TOY with Tito Trinidad and he would beat JCC as well"

[RubenSonny]

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, my friend.

He is a very very good lightweight though IMO.

Who had a better resume at LW before him and its clear there no one has pu together anything as good since.

[studentofthegam]

Hatton and Duran fought nothing alike. nothing. Duran was a passive aggressive counter puncher, Hatton was someone who flat out bulled into opponents and mauled them.

theyre both boxers, and they both could infight. thats about it.

Mayweather is an ATG but to just ignore that stylistically his toughest fights of his career were against Chavez's lesser sparring partner is crazy.

I dont remember what sparked the conversation in which I said that but I do know they looked alike as I watched the fight with SRL. Just watch it again and then tell me its not similar. By the way I know Duran could counter punch but thats not what beat SRL.

[Steak]

What does JLC being his sparring partner have to do with it? JLC was bigger and stronger, Chavez at 147 simply doesn't physically impose the same problems to Floyd that JLC did.

Castillo may have been bigger, but I dont see how he was stronger. His physique resembled a young boys, and he wasnt able to bully or push anyone around at 140lbs like Chavez was able to. hell, he couldnt even compete at 140lbs period, I thought he lost the Ngoudjo fight. Chavez certainly hit harder than Castillo as well.

And whoever said anything about 147? I was assuming this fight would be at 140lbs or 135lbs, where they were both at their best. Floyd never fought Castillo at 147lbs anyway.

Castillo learned a lot of his style from sparring with Chavez and being in the same gym for a while, thats why I keep bringing that up.

[Walt Liquor]

I can always count on you for comic relief

I would say you picked the wrong clips to prove your point. They through at the same angles. Big looping body shots. Chavez was a little faster. Surprisingly Baldo had better D. Or more so he was more concious of his defense. Chavez is better no doubt. I mentioned their size because Chavez wouldnt have been as imposing as Baldo was to Floyd. He's a huge welter that beat some good guys.

Now it would have killed you to say that to me.

Its great that he won a lot before he ever lost but the comp is atleast suspect up until Pernell. I didnt compare their record anyway.

No. Im saying whoever can make 50 ***in million per fight is very much in the conversation. You can smoke and screen the public to get a B fighter in the millions but you cant smoke and screen even the most casual fan into believing a fighter deserves 50 mil for a fight unless he's the truth. Pac cant even make that kinda money without Floyd and he's an ATG in my book. Tyson isnt an ATG? De la Hoya isnt an ATG? You gotta whip ass to get those kinda checks. And you dont make five fight plans when you've been on top that long. Has Pac made a 5 fight plan recently? Or has Klitsko?

i didn't even look at the vids because its so obvious, i picked 2 fights from the middle of fight. if I actually picked out videos I would make you look so amateur that you'd probably change your username.

did you happen to notice anything different about the aggressiveness of either fighter? did you notice anything different about their footwork? what about their accuracy? did you happen to assess who appeared to land harder shots? who appeared to have a bigger offensive arsenal?

tata has better d? did you see at 4:00 of the chavez video how many punches he was picking off with his gloves?

[Walt Liquor]

What does JLC being his sparring partner have to do with it? JLC was bigger and stronger, Chavez at 147 simply doesn't physically impose the same problems to Floyd that JLC did.

jlc couldn't compete fight at 140, what does that tell you?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

he could barely handle chavez sparring partner, wtf is floyd gonna do to hold off jc superstar? a tire iron?

[Walt Liquor]

I honestly couldn't name 100 fighters greater than him and I bet you couldn't either, he has arguably the best undefeated record of all-time debatable to only two ATGs, is an ATG 130lber in his own right, though its not one of the original 8 great it is still fairly deep historically speaking, and he beat an ATG LW in their prime, and he was a legit champion in multiple weight-classes. I don't see how he is not an ATG.

you're probably right.

JLC is an ATG LW?

[Steak]

I dont remember what sparked the conversation in which I said that but I do know they looked alike as I watched the fight with SRL. Just watch it again and then tell me its not similar. By the way I know Duran could counter punch but thats not what beat SRL.

Ive watched it multiple times. you must have missed key points in the fight where Duran kept rocking Leonard with his right hand over Leonard's jab and timing his shots at mid range?

7:09

4:30

also, judging a fighter based solely on one fight is...not smart. ie Hagler agaisnt Hearns, which is a problem a lot of people make. Duran was mostly a counter puncher, although he loved to fight on the inside as well. Depended who the opponent was.

[americanbot]

u would have to be a ****** to bring up castillo trying to bring some kind of validation to chavez vs mayweather. (in a fight where a injury took place to top it all off) but look at this for a sec if we are playing this game....A young mayweather use to spar with Frankie Randall (who he was clearly better then in the gym. even as a young boy) frankie went on to beat & give chavez fits @ 140.

I CAN TROLL TOO.

[Walt Liquor]

Ive watched it multiple times. you must have missed key points in the fight where Duran kept rocking Leonard with his right hand over Leonard's jab and timing his shots at mid range?

7:09

4:30

also, judging a fighter based solely on one fight is...not smart. ie Hagler agaisnt Hearns, which is a problem a lot of people make. Duran was mostly a counter puncher, although he loved to fight on the inside as well. Depended who the opponent was.

not to mention the third fight vs dejesus when he boxed most of the fight (defense/footwork/counters/head movement)