How you beat Pac and Mayweather....

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Mayweather doesn't need to go to Pac's body, that would be incredibly ******. To go to the body, you need to get close and exchange. Mayweather would out point Pac and go on to win a UD.

Won't be popular and might even be boring but he isn't a risk taker, you know this.

Not true. EVERY lefty Mayweather faces he batters to the body. Pac will be no different. He will fight Pac on the inside because hes worlds better than him on the inside.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Maybe just maybe bringing yourself up from a real street kid with no home in the phillipines, to becoming a pro fighter, to losing, to changing your stlye and trainer and growing to the #1 fighter in the world pfp and then becoming a senator in your beloved home country... Basically accomplishing everything he could have ever dreamed of as a street kid in the phillipines, could maybe inspire the same amount of confidence as that of Floyd. Manny has accomplished far more than Floyd in life comparatively. Perhaps that could breed confidence to equal that of floyds.

But I'm sure your reasoning is totally accurate and I've got my PAC blinders on (even though he's not in my top 5 favorites active) no one could ever be as confident as an undefeated pro boxer. War Chavez jr!



(this post is guaranteed to be ignored by footwork)

Wow Footowrk got annihilated.....He said that DLH can't be a pressure fighter, that JMM has no defense and that Floyd is more motivated than Pac.

I don't even know how to answer those ridiculous statements. DLH can do it ALL, JMM's defense is very good, the reason he get's knocked down is because he has fought great fighters. It's not like he just is there to get hit.

As far as Mayweather being more motivated than Pac.....like Walt said, I don't know how much more motivation you need to see from a man who came from such humble beginnings like Pac did. Yet it's Floyd that claims to be from the "hood"....lol Floyd doesn't know what the hood is, most people in America don't to be honest.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

manny, because he faced better fighters.


your argument is not logical and was already refuted

What does that have to do with Mayweather? Brining a list of the fighters you fought to the ring wont help him.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

My Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Breakdown:


Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.

I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.

However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.

What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.

Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.

Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.

BUT.....

Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.

Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.

Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.

Lastly...

Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.

Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.

I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10.

[dyu]

I can't even take you seriously because your too biased to admit the truth. You sir are a *******.

The thread was fine until this azzhole ***** showed up.

[dyu]

My Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Breakdown:


Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.

I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.

However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.

What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.

Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.

Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.

BUT.....

Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.

Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.

Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.

Lastly...

Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.

Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.

I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10.

Lol go back to your own thread that you recently updated.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Not true. EVERY lefty Mayweather faces he batters to the body. Pac will be no different. He will fight Pac on the inside because hes worlds better than him on the inside.

Again, I think people like to argue just to argue. I didn't say Mayweather can't go to the body and won't go there if given the opportunity. The point was made that he NEEDS to to win this fight, not true. Mayweather is very capable of standing from the outside, keeping distance and winning this fight.

Going inside doesn't necessarily have to be his strategy to win this.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

My Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Breakdown:


Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.

I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.

However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.

What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.

Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.

Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.

BUT.....

Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.

Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.

Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.

Lastly...

Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.

Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.

I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10.

I agree with just about everything you said and his jab for me is THE key in this fight. Floyd's jab is one of the best in boxing WHEN he throws it consistently.

I also agree with the inside fighting but as I told another poster,I think it will be ore of "dirty boxing" on the inside with a lot of clinching by Mayweather, not standing in the pocket and trading like some have suggested because Manny's weakness is the inside.

I also think the left hook of Mayweather could be big and possibly the punch that hurts Manny. He throws a very underrated left hook, especially going backwards.

I see UD and would be somewhat surprised if he stopped Manny but anything is possible.

[fabie]

I had this from my own thread but relevant to this very thread....

With respects to the author of this thread...I am posting this long posting which is about MAYWEATHER VS PACQUIAO...

Nothing would be more salivating than for me to watch contrasting of styles than these two superlative fighters now, here's how I see it.

Prime Mayweather vs Prime Pacquiao

• Mayweather Beating Pacquiao

As a traditional left lead fighter in Mayweather is all that we can see as traditional. What isn't is his impeccable and uncanny sixth sense on how to:

1) Distance himself from his opponents.

His left lead stance shows exceptional footworks behind his hind legs primed to back pedal, move forward, swivel (shoulder roll), duck (no puns), fade (with his right on guard at all times). His hind right leg is positioned in a nimble way, not locked flatfooted unless he wants to (see Mosley fight) to confront the opponent.

In my humble estimation his righ hind leg is always on his toes ready to spring for a right crosses and his lunging left hooks (patented shots) while his right hind leg is primed to absorb his weight when ducks down to his right, or even fade at his right as he swivel to his patented shoulder roll.

This is the main crux and engine of Mayweather, his superlative FORWARD/BACKWARD movements that would deter a Pacquiao attack or two (to put it modestly).

2) Right Guard

Mayweather's Right hand guard on the high position is the key to defend against Pacquiao's attacks (left cross). He can pat, parry, block AND do his PULL COUNTERS (right cross) with it.

3) Left on Low Position

Mayweather's low left hand position is primed to do one thing, HIS LUNGING LEFT HOOKS though he does have a decent left jab. This can also land on Pacquiao's right body and midsection should he step on his lateral right (dangerous against Pacquiao though). Mayweather's pinpoint accuracy on his lunging left hooks are amazing that can surprise opponents as he times it as the opponent is about to come in.


• Pacquiao Beating Mayweather

Pacquiao as a gifted and relentless southpaw could give Mayweather some stiff challenges. His timing, off-angles, counters and lateral movements (mainly cutting to Mayweather's outside left)

1) Left Cross/Left uppercut/Left Hookercut

Pacquiao's main arsenal is the LEFT CROSS (traditionally). But he uses it in so many ways that it blurs the line nowadays. He uses his Left Crosses also as a "lead jab" mainly against Right Handers on a left lead while cutting outside their left jab in 45 degrees.

Traditionally, Pacquiao would throw in a single or a double right jab then inevitably letting his main weapon fly off. We've seen it before. That was his main bread and butter.

Nowadays, he also uses the HOOKER CUT, a semi-uppercut/hook to counter off the right hander's left jab or even the right cross. This is for the semi-close range and therefore he needed to step up or step just outside the left jab of his opponent to close in. Due to Pacquao's low-center of gravity, low build and massive lower leg for balance and leverage - this punch is a KNOCK OUT PUNCH.

I can see him using this punch when he gets in Mayweather.

2) Right hook / Right Jab

Pacquao's Right Hook is becoming his next favorite attack other than his left crosses. He uses it as a LEAD entry to initiate a combination attack against a high CLOTTEY Guard but I can see him often using it to pound on the RIGHT HANDER's LEFT RIBs.

3) Combination

Superlative combination puncher, Pacquiao's multi-angle attack is the best I've ever seen since Sugar Ray Leonard and Aaron Pryor. But comes with it are strength and the snap. His leverage is well shown and momentum optimized to destroy his target.

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I've discussed the IDEALS of both, but in reality, we can only see a little of those because:

• Mayweather can neutralize many of the things I've discussed. Mayweather as the supreme defender can neutralize Pacquiao as the supreme attacker.

But Mayweather is also slowing down, mainly on his wheels. I would like to confirm Freddie Roach's reading on his last fight against Mosley but thatcan be misleading also since Mayweather's upfront tactic worked wonders against Mosley AFTER the right crosses (with no follow ups) in the 2nd round.

Mayweather stayed put and neutralized Mosley's right crosses by stepping up and jamming him. While using enough backpedaling...thus we see Mayweather relatively static compared to his previous fights.

I can see Mayweather potshotting Pacquiao with RIGHT CROSSES and taking a toll on Pacquiao to slow him down.

But the biggest thing that I can see Mayweather will use against Pacquiao other than using his wheels to move around and laterally is to CLINCH. CLINCH like never before and CLINCH like cheap glue like what he did occasionally against Mosley.

Pacquiao on the other hand, can use his LEFT CROSSES either as LEAD JABS or LEFT UPPERCUTS to Mayweather's ducking and fading (rolling to his right). Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK can only be placed on Mayweather's head and since Mayweather's left body is relatively secured with his LOW LEFT HAND placement defensively, it would be hard for Pacquiao to land the RIGHT HOOK.

And so ideally, Pacquiao have to pressure Mayweather relentlessly and in an accurate timing. This is how to pace himself against a "Boxer" in Mayweather who would test his stamina till the end.

And so Pacquiao has to be opportunistic in getting some shots in (which would be difficult).

THe main strategy is for Freddie and Pacquaio strategizing a KAMIKAZE ATTACK on the early rounds. BEFORE Mayweather can adjust. Pacquaiao has to exploit this. Just like Judah a bit dominating on Mayweather onth early rounds as a SOUTHPAW.

And if anyone else, Pacquao is the only boxer who can exploit Mayweather on these early rounds. Just like the floodgates, if he hits Mayweather, he has to bring everything.

So early rounds go to PACQUIAO and potentially can knock Mayweather out.

But after Mayweather adjust to the distance and timing, I think Mayweather would have to use his best best defensive boxing until the 12th round.

Prediction?

• Mayweather on a SPLIT or UNANIMOUS DECISION but with the potential PACQUAIO KAYOING Mayweather from the early rounds to the mid 7th rounds before he tires.

Thus Pacquaio would need to have his best stamina and pacing to beat Mayweather.

So there.....I am hoping for Pacquaio to Knock out Mayweather and wouldn't be surprised if he does. Just that chances are, I am going for the safe prediction of Mayweather going to the distance of boxing.

But we would never know, Pacquaio, the Tazmanian devil from the Philippines could be just what the fans ordered to beat Mayweather and beat him up.

This would be the boxing fight for the ages.

[straightleft]

Sorry Floyd fans. Thanks for your bravery and detailed plan how Floyd will beat Pac but the only problem is Floyd and his father think the complete opposite. Think about these...why asked for OST? why denied the negotiation? why went to vacation? why playing possum? why put himself to legal troubles? etc... because they are not 100% confident like you to beat Pac. Measuring the boxing knowledge you have against Floyd Jr. and Floyd Sr. >>>>>>>> Floyd fans. Pac already won the fight so deal with it.