10 fighters that would that would beat a Prime Roy Jones jr

[D4thincarnation]

I think very highly of Harry Greb his resume and accomplishment is amazing. How many HOF'ers did he beat? 12? 13? And, beat them multiple times I mean that is just crazy. From MW to HW and was ducked IMO by Jack Dempsey. True there is no footage but when I rank ATG's I go with resume and accomplishments. And, Greb could arguably be P4P the GOAT. Yes arguably ahead of SRR. There could be an argument made in his favor.

I know there is no fight footage of him. But, there is footage of the guys he beat. And, to be able to beat Loughran, Tunney, Walker, Rosenbloom and the Gibbons brothers, you know he had to be a good fighter. And, to do it mostly with just one eye you know he had to be a special fighter. And, at the time a lot of white fighters would not cross the color lines. But, Greb had no problem with facing the best black fighters available like Norfolk, Flowers, etc etc...Dude fought everybody and anybody in his day. So you have to admire that about him too.

Now saying all that you can't say he can beat Roy. He's greater than Roy and is not even debatable IMO. But, there is no footage to really gauge how he would do in a H2H match-up. Apparently he had a swarming style a little bit like Duran type of style. But, that is not enough to know what exactly he did good, or judge his strength, his flaws. But, there is no way to judge him how well he would do in fantasy fights. Because, there is no way of knowing since there is no fight footage of him.

So I can't say Greb could beat Roy Jones or not.

Greb sparred with Dempsey a few times and busted him up, I think they were meant to fight and Tunney picked Greb.

Greb beat a lot better opposition than Jones, and better almost all other boxers.

How would Roy cope with a volume puncher like Greb.

For me Greb beats Jones.

[old cat]

Instinto........Swiping the jab and coming overtop with a left hook isn't ring savvy? or smartness as you put it? Switching stances to make an unwilling opponent confused and getting them to open up isn't ring intelligence. Its hard to connect on a guy who doesnt wanna get hit.....so Roy set him up, furthermore......is Ring intelligence. Using feints, these are all things we learn in the gym, and Roy made em work in his own unorthodox fashion. You dont notice these types of things if you have no idea what your looking for. So, appreciate the effort though....

Well said!!!

People just regurgitate the some crap they read like," roy was just an athletic fighter he had no real skill." Yes he was unorthodox but so was Ali. His athletic ability allowed him to use the typical weapons in a not so typical fashion. Does that mean some fighter with " Perfect technique would be able to beat him"? Of course not. A fight is not static. It is a moving process with a huge number of variables. A prime RJJ was a master Jazz musician, he did not always play the conventional way but the product of his hands was a sound that has no parallel.

There are so many sheep on these boards its laughable. Learn to think for yourselves.

Its is in vogue now to say "Roy was just an athlete." This is so far from the truth i hate to waste my time typing this!

For my money i pick RJJ over anyone at 168. At 175 also, given the fact in his prime the weight-in is the day before the fight.

I am sorry people cant get over the fact athletic ability is part of the equations of a boxer. His reflexes, speed and sense of timing in his prime were just on a whole other level. People say timing beats speed. How do you cope with someone who is faster and has better timing?

[jrosales13]

Greb sparred with Dempsey a few times and busted him up, I think they were meant to fight and Tunney picked Greb.

Greb beat a lot better opposition than Jones, and better almost all other boxers.

That has nothing to do with H2H match-up. Yes Greb did and Greb is greater than Roy and I mention this in my post that you're quoting. However, this has nothing I repeat nothing to do with H2H match-up.

How would Roy cope with a volume puncher like Greb.

For me Greb beats Jones.

Show me how Greb will deal with Roy speed? Show me this swarming style in a fight? Show me?

You can't show me...That is why you cant say who will win...

I'm NOT saying Roy can beat Greb and I'm NOT saying Greb could beat Roy.

What I'm saying is that you can't put Greb in a fantasy fight because there is no footage of him to see how he would deal with certain styles.

You can rank him in ATG list cuz' of his resume and accomplishment and yes he must of been a special fighter because there is videos of the guys he beat that were skillful. So you know Greb had to be good.

However, style makes fights and there is no video of Greb himself, besides some awkward sparring and training, that is not enough to gauge on how he would do in a fantasy fight though.

[jrosales13]

i hate it when people put athletes on a pedelstal and say they were unbeatable. RJ was an amazing physical athlete, but he had tons of flaws that were later exploited when he lost his physical edge(namely speed and reflexes). He hardly jabbed, kept his very low, backed straight up but none of that matter cuz most guys couldnt touch him.

However styles makes fights and I believe RJ would have beaten Toney and Nard 9 times out of 10 in his prime, but would have lost to someone like Tarver or Foster 9 times out of 10.

I agree with that. I think so too.

[Steak]

Well said!!!

People just regurgitate the some crap they read like," roy was just an athletic fighter he had no real skill." Yes he was unorthodox but so was Ali. His athletic ability allowed him to use the typical weapons in a not so typical fashion. Does that mean some fighter with " Perfect technique would be able to beat him"? Of course not. A fight is not static. It is a moving process with a huge number of variables. A prime RJJ was a master Jazz musician, he did not always play the conventional way but the product of his hands was a sound that has no parallel.

There are so many sheep on these boards its laughable. Learn to think for yourselves.

Its is in vogue now to say "Roy was just an athlete." This is so far from the truth i hate to waste my time typing this!

For my money i pick RJJ over anyone at 168. At 175 also, given the fact in his prime the weight-in is the day before the fight.

I am sorry people cant get over the fact athletic ability is part of the equations of a boxer. His reflexes and speed in his prime were just on a whole other level.

hmm, well Roy was definitely not 'just an athlete'. the most amazing athlete in the world would still be destroyed in boxing if he didnt understand the game, and theres no doubt Roy understood it and was adept at it.

but the thing is were talking the greatest fighters of all time here. Roy wasnt the most skilled in that regard.

and although Roy was definitely dominant while he was fighting, you still did see he had troubles against certain fighters. Eric Harding and Montell Griffin in particular stylistically troubled Roy(also Del Valle knocked him down) and actually did decent against him. granted, he ended up KOing them, but at the same time(while both are underrated in some regard) they arent exactly the toughest competition ever...certainly not the level of LHWs that Mike Spinks fought, for example.

often unconventional fighters have petty bad flaws. even Ali had a big flaw that Norton exposed: simply jutting your right hand out to a segree nullified his jab, I remember Futch talking about it in an interview. and Norton arguably beat Ali twice, breaking his jaw in one of the fights. Norton was a pretty damn good fighter, in his Ali's defense.

[Thread Stealer]

I'd make Michael Spinks and Bob Foster favorites over Roy Jones @ 175.

Marvin Hagler against Jones @ 160 is a tough matchup. Jones was still rather green at 160.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi would be a live underdog against Roy. I still pick Roy though.

Carlos Monzon:
They say the way to beat speed is to have a good jab, they were too many that had better than Monzon, granite chin and would walk you down and make you pay.

Marvin Hagler:
Much like Monzon Hagler just kept on coming forward, but had more intensity but didn't have the jab of Monzon.

Neither of these are come forward fighters. Hagler spent the majority of his fights moving laterally or even on the backfoot.

It's amazing how much one fight or two can totally screw up the perception of a fighter's style.

[IMDAZED]

I'd make Michael Spinks and Bob Foster favorites over Roy Jones @ 175.

Marvin Hagler against Jones @ 160 is a tough matchup. Jones was still rather green at 160.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi would be a live underdog against Roy. I still pick Roy though.



Neither of these are come forward fighters. Hagler spent the majority of his fights moving laterally or even on the backfoot.

It's amazing how much one fight or two can totally screw up the perception of a fighter's style.

Seriously. Poor Hagler, no one watches tapes of him, it seems .

[oaklandstephen]

quit overrating the older fighters. thats one of the things that some boxing fans do that piss me off the most! its so sad. prime roy would most likely beat all of those guys.

[Thread Stealer]

Seriously. Poor Hagler, no one watches tapes of him, it seems .

He's not the only fighter though. Whenever there's a mythical matchup about Sugar Ray Leonard, there's usually a couple people who say "he can't use that stick and move, flurrying style in this matchup". Yes, that style he used, what, 2 or 3 times in 40+ fight career?

I wonder if in 2030 when people have Floyd Mayweather against the top WWs then, people will say "All Mayweather did was follow opponents behind a high guard". Or, "how is Miguel Cotto going to beat this guy when all Cotto does is back up?"

[THE REED]

How is Roy going to beat anyone when all he does is get knocked out?