Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Could Target Berto's Title in The Near Future

[GRUSTLER]

pac chose cotto over mosley. cotto had beaten mosley.

Barely and at 147 not 145.

if you find these two situations as ducking mosley, you're hopeless.

Here are two situations.....

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny, "Roach says. "I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f53/fr...cquiao-1143464

"Shane called me earlier [Monday] and said that's it, he's had it," Shaefer said. "He's not waiting around anymore. He said, 'This guy [Pacquiao] is obviously scared of me. So let's move on.' Sugar Shane Mosley's career has not been built around Pacquiao. He already has a legacy of greatness. But eventually a Mayweather or Cotto or Pacquiao will need him. That day will come."

[GRANDSLAM]

Manny won't fight Berto unless he loses, then he fits the criteria

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Book it Pac-JMM III at WW next watch...

oh goodie

[Twako]

Please don't forget that Mosley openly challenged Pac prior to this. Mosley signed to fight Berto because Pac's camp made it clear they wouldn't fight. Mosley was still at GBP.

Pac didn't choose Cotto, Bob Arum did. ANd if Pac came and offered Mosley a fight he would have accepted it and HBO/ top rank would have paid berto money to step aside and offered him a fight with the winner.

oh please..be real. i'd bet you'd be singing a different tune if pac had fought mosley instead of cotto, you'd be like 'why did pac fought the loser of cotto-mosley?'. mosley signed up for berto during the pac-cotto fight. you'd be dumb to call this as pac ducking mosley. then pac had to fight either march or later because of congress elections, and what top WW was available at that time , around january, aside from floyd, mosley/berto who were all unavailable?

the only time it makes sense to call that team pac avoided mosley was after the clottey fight. yet, soon after this, may had beaten mosley already

[jrosales13]

Please don't forget that Mosley openly challenged Pac prior to this. Mosley signed to fight Berto because Pac's camp made it clear they wouldn't fight. Mosley was still at GBP.

Pac didn't choose Cotto, Bob Arum did.

Well if Pac really wanted to fight Mosley he would of fought him.

ANd if Pac came and offered Mosley a fight he would have accepted it and HBO/ top rank would have paid berto money to step aside and offered him a fight with the winner.

Nah bro it wouldn't have work that way...Again they said no to Mosley and fought Cotto instead. But, they did not say no to Mosley to fight Clotttey instead.

People forget that after the Mayweather negotiations fail through that Schafer came out and said every GBP fighter that fights Pac will have to have OST. Which is what kill the Mayweather fight. People forget that Arum after the Floyd fight fail through reached out to GBP about a third fight with JMM and they asked for OST and Arum went with Clottey instead. Mosley was a GBP fighter at the time. The fight had to be in March. It was already January. Mosley not only would he have had to switch his whole training camp at the end but immediately and GBP was going to ask for OST which was not going to happen.

Again did he avoid Mosley for Cotto? Yes you can say he did.

Did he avoid Mayweather for Clottey? Yes you can say he did

Did he avoid Mosley for Clottey? No, only idiots who want to rewrite history believe that.

[Ray*]

Here is the thing though Ray...If Pac wants to really fight Berto and tells Arum to make it happen. Then Arum will make it happen regardless of the promotional outfit. Pac should fight the best available fighter in his weight-class. Berto is the best available fighter in his weight-class right now. But, Pac is all too happy with how business is being conducted right now. And, at the end it falls on Pac. And, if the fight doesn't happen. Because Berto is with Lou or whatever then it falls on Pac and means that Pac is avoiding Berto.

And that jro is the real difference between Mayweather and Manny. Floyd KNEW Bob was screwing him and wanted out. Manny maybe he doesn't know or care.

I understand Pac could have been a little bit more tougher with the way Arum seem to be conducting business around Pac's name but because Pac gets paid he doesnt seem to mind which is a shame.

[GRUSTLER]

i'd bet you'd be singing a different tune if pac had fought mosley instead of cotto, you'd be like 'why did pac fought the loser of cotto-mosley?'. mosley signed up for berto during the pac-cotto fight. you'd be dumb to call this as pac ducking mosley. then pac had to fight either march or later because of congress elections, and what top WW was available at that time , around january, aside from floyd, mosley/berto who were all unavailable?

the only time it makes sense to call that team pac avoided mosley was after the clottey fight. yet, soon after this, may had beaten mosley already

Nah, not me because after Margarito got KO'd by Shane Mosley, Sugar
was the man to beat and that fight would have made more sense for
Pacquiao considering Cotto's belt that he lost to Margarito was around
Mosley's waist. That's why for all of Pac's fighting at WW and in general
didn't get him the #1 slot at 147 because Mosley was the man to beat
and an almost inactive Floyd came back and within two fights he topped
Pac at WW. If Pac fought Mosley then what could anybody say?
Mosley stopped Margarito. I would have given him mad props. No
one could have said anything about Floyd after that. On top of that!
Mosley could have been Pac's 7th title and not Cotto's vacant strap
won from Jennings.

[jrosales13]

Damn, what's got you so upset today?

Not upset at all is just that all this excuse making that goes on this place is ridiculous.

I honestly don't see what either Bradley or Berto bring to the table that would trouble Manny in the least, just inflated, empty records (except Bradley gets more credit obviously). Fighting Berto would be like fighting a worse version of a young Shane, without the chin or the power. Bradley of the 11 KOs couldn't crack an egg, throws wide looping punches, and has no speed to speak of. Both these guys would be harassed in the ring.

What they bring to the table is that they're top prime fighters. Which is something that can not be said with Pac recent oppositions and perhaps future opposition. Not saying they can beat Pac. I don't think Berto last 5 more than 5 rounds against Pac. But, here is the thing fights are won in the ring not on paper.

But they have 0s so that automatically makes them worthy opponents, but 42-0 Chavez Jr is less legit than Berto? How exactly?

Are you really asking this question? Seriously? Think about it...

At this point, no matter who Manny fights that isn't on extended vacation will get flack. As soon as Pacquiao-Bradley is announced, just wait and see what the reaction will be. You'll be surprised how fast a slick, prime, undefeated Black fighter turns into a slow, plodding, old shot Mexican in the eyes of so many here

Haters will always hate no doubt. But, Pac-Bradley at 140 that would mean more to Pac legacy than Pac-Mosley at 147. Pac-Berto to unify 147 would mean more to Pac legacy than Pac-Margarito at a catch-weight of 150 for a vacant BS WBC title.

Pac-JMM III above 135 means nothing at all. Is a waste of time.

[The Big Dunn]

Well if Pac really wanted to fight Mosley he would of fought him.



Nah bro it wouldn't have work that way...Again they said no to Mosley and fought Cotto instead. But, they did not say no to Mosley to fight Clotttey instead.

People forget that after the Mayweather negotiations fail through that Schafer came out and said every GBP fighter that fights Pac will have to have OST. Which is what kill the Mayweather fight. People forget that Arum after the Floyd fight fail through reached out to GBP about a third fight with JMM and they asked for OST and Arum went with Clottey instead. Mosley was a GBP fighter at the time. The fight had to be in March. It was already January. Mosley not only would he have had to switch his whole training camp at the end but immediately and GBP was going to ask for OST which was not going to happen.

Again did he avoid Mosley for Cotto? Yes you can say he did.

Did he avoid Mayweather for Clottey? Yes you can say he did

Did he avoid Mosley for Clottey? No, only idiots who want to rewrite history believe that.

Manny had ample opportunity to fight Shane Mosley. I'm not saying he ducked Shane for Clottey. I'm saying if they wanted to fight Shane they could've gotten it done.

You and I have discussed this before. Remember, HBO paid Berto a fee for moving off the Mosley fight. YES there was the earthquake but HBO definitely worked behind the scenes on that.

[jrosales13]

Are they going to "negotiate" (in the media of course) the Mayweather fight first or just go right to it?

I honestly I don't care about that. I'm somewhat disgusted in both sides. To me Floyd when it comes to boxing is irrelevant. He can stay on vacation for the rest of his life for all I care. If he's gone forever and Pac instead of fighting these old fighters followed suit and leaves forever too. It would much better IMO.