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  • New Wave
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    #21
    Originally posted by jisi
    Wlad has more technical skills than Haye, he is faster, punches harder, better footwork, better ringgeneralship.

    lol, keep 'em coming mate

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    • Dirk Diggler UK
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      #22
      Originally posted by 2Fast
      Haye is more skilled than either klitschko. any real boxing fan would know this
      Laughable statement. LOL@ Haye being skilled. He has a punchers chance and thats about iut

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      • adamk1304
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        #23
        Originally posted by Mr. Blobby
        You think Wlad is faster than Haye?

        Better footwork? I don't think his footwork is any better than Hayes, Haye moves better around the ring and can plant his feet and throw big punches going backwards.

        Punches harder? Maybe but you would expect someone with such a big size advantage to do so.
        Size has absolutely nothing to do with punching power. Fighters such as Valuev and Dimitrenko are just two examples of big guys who don't pack a particularly hard punch.

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          #24
          Originally posted by adamk1304
          Size has absolutely nothing to do with punching power. Fighters such as Valuev and Dimitrenko are just two examples of big guys who don't pack a particularly hard punch.
          The average big guy punches harder than the average little guy.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mr. Blobby
            The average big guy punches harder than the average little guy.
            I see the excuses are already lined up from Team GHaye if he gets smashed by Wlad.

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            • sunny31
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              #26
              Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
              Laughable statement. LOL@ Haye being skilled. He has a punchers chance and thats about iut
              He is very skilled...his deficiencies are in his technique not his level of skill. It seems you don't understand the difference between the two. People forget he is a very big man himself. He is a very sharp counter puncher, he lets himself down when he starts throwing wide, but he has an excellent jab, he can throw from many angles, he has a great counter right which he can throw over the top, as an uppercut, or unconventional angles. He has good lateral movement and can throw knockout punches off his back foot and front foot, that is not he qualities of a non-skilled fighter.

              The klistchko's are basic fighters in comparison, don't get me wrong they have great ability but it is contained in a very basic european style, and if I have learned one thing down the years is that the typical soveit style is very beatable, there have been exceptional fighters which have come from it eg Kostya Tszyu, but there are multiple ways to beat them, what makes the klitschko's so hard to beat is not their skill level, it is their combination of technique, size, and athleticism, but they have a lot less in their arsenal offensively and defensive wise than haye, they are just better technically, they use what they have better, by maximising their physical attributes. They fight every fight the same exact way...and that makes them much easier to prepare for.

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                #27
                Originally posted by sunny31
                He is very skilled...his deficiencies are in his technique not his level of skill. It seems you don't understand the difference between the two. People forget he is a very big man himself. He is a very sharp counter puncher, he lets himself down when he starts throwing wide, but he has an excellent jab, he can throw from many angles, he has a great counter right which he can throw over the top, as an uppercut, or unconventional angles. He has good lateral movement and can throw knockout punches off his back foot and front foot, that is not he qualities of a non-skilled fighter.

                The klistchko's are basic fighters in comparison, don't get me wrong they have great ability but it is contained in a very basic european style, and if I have learned one thing down the years is that the typical soveit style is very beatable, there have been exceptional fighters which have come from it eg Kostya Tszyu, but there are multiple ways to beat them, what makes the klitschko's so hard to beat is not their skill level, it is their combination of technique, size, and athleticism, but they have a lot less in their arsenal offensively and defensive wise than haye, they are just better technically, they use what they have better, by maximising their physical attributes. They fight every fight the same exact way...and that makes them much easier to prepare for.
                I didnt say he was unskilled, but hes not that skilled. His jab is almost non-existent as is his defence. He throws wild, sloppy flurries. Basically hes fast and he hits hard which gives him somewhat of a chance against Wlad. Not his skill level.

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                • flat1985
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                  Laughable statement. LOL@ Haye being skilled. He has a punchers chance and thats about iut
                  How aint Haye skilled? lol

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                  • Russian Crushin
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Mr. Blobby
                    The average big guy punches harder than the average little guy.
                    But they arent 2 average fighters

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Russian Crushin
                      But they arent 2 average fighters
                      I didn't say they were. That was a reply to the guy that said size has nothing to do with punching power.

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